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craig.nelson(at)heraeus.c
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: wheels/side load Reply with quote

hi all I built a plane in the mid 80's and used 20 in bicycle wheels. had them custom spoked to a mini bike hub with breaks and larger spokes. flew the heck out of this plane. it was a wing warp design and I had lots of x wind landings

uncle craig


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: wheels/side load Reply with quote

I've been thinking about bicycle wheels for the biplane I'm designing.
One idea I had was to sandwich two hubs together and respoke the
wheels to get more side support.

OTOH the new Schwinn Stingray bikes (nothing like the one I had as a
kid) has a real fat rear wheel. but I doubt it'd be adequate for
anything heavier than a true ultralight.

-Dana

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"Nelson, Craig" <craig.nelson(at)heraeus.com> wrote:
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hi all I built a plane in the mid 80's and used 20 in bicycle wheels. had them custom spoked to a mini bike hub with breaks and larger spokes. flew the heck out of this plane. it was a wing warp design and I had lots of x wind landings

uncle craig


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject: wheels/side load Reply with quote

> OTOH the new Schwinn Stingray bikes (nothing like the one I had as a
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kid) has a real fat rear wheel. but I doubt it'd be adequate for
anything heavier than a true ultralight.

-Dana

Dana, other spoke enthusiasts, 
 
  With a little bit of research, there are probably dozens of likely candidates that
would work very well for use on a plane.  There are lots of scooters, mini motorcycles,
and the like, that would probably work well.  Most of these will comes with some kind
of disc brake set-up.   With diameter from 12" to 20+", a guy could easily come up with
a set of olden-day looking spoked wheels.
 
  Personally, I can't really picture a Kolb wearing a set of spoked wheels.  The style doesn't
make me think of "early 1900's airplanes.  Maybe after seeing a Kolb with them, I'd see what
Rick is getting at.
 
  For the relatively low touchdown speed, I don't think the side-load issue is a major
consideration.  I think a 20" spoked Honda scooter front wheel would be plenty robust to
handle routine landings.
  I want to see what a Kolb looks like with spoked wheels, even if it's only a mock-up.
 
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:41 am    Post subject: wheels/side load Reply with quote

Craig, Nice looking aircraft !
 Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:19 am    Post subject: wheels/side load Reply with quote

Mike W/Gang:

What about landings that are other than routine? Wink

john h
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For the relatively low touchdown speed, I don't think the side-load issue is a major
consideration. I think a 20" spoked Honda scooter front wheel would be plenty robust to
handle routine landings.

Mike Welch
MkIII CX

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:57 am    Post subject: wheels/side load Reply with quote

John,
 
  You'd be screwed!!
 
Mike
 
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wheels/side load
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:17:28 -0600

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What about landings that are other than routine?  Wink
 
john h
mkIII
 
 
   For the relatively low touchdown speed, I don't think the side-load issue is a major
consideration.  I think a 20" spoked Honda scooter front wheel would be plenty robust to
handle routine landings.
   
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: wheels/side load Reply with quote

For you Kids who are to young to remember, back in the early 1930's many cars had wire wheels. They were a big upgrade from some of the wooden spooked wheels.

The former Az Bald Eagle
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 8:17:28 AM
Subject: Re: wheels/side load

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What about landings that are other than routine? Wink

john h
mkIII


  For the relatively low touchdown speed, I don't think the side-load issue is a major
consideration. I think a 20" spoked Honda scooter front wheel would be plenty robust to
handle routine landings.
 
Mike Welch
MkIII CX

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:46 am    Post subject: wheels/side load Reply with quote

John
After I sold this plane the new owner ground looped it at high speed, bent a wing tip  and scrubbed the gear clean off the plane….. after all that the wheels straight and true

Uncle craig
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Mike W/Gang:



What about landings that are other than routine? Wink



john h

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For the relatively low touchdown speed, I don't think the side-load issue is a major
consideration. I think a 20" spoked Honda scooter front wheel would be plenty robust to
handle routine landings.

Mike Welch
MkIII CX
 
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