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rickofudall
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I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we don't have cable, satellite or antenna, just a DVD collection) but looking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. Anybody tried this? Have pictures?
Rick Girard
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: Another wheel question |
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Right off the top of my head, would be one way to get the mkIII in a decent 3 pt stance by raising the nose with tall skinny spoke wheels.
john h
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Rock House, OR
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Rick Girard
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>I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we don't have cable, satellite or antenna, just a DVD collection) >but looking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. >Anybody tried this? Have pictures?
>Rick Girard
Rick,
It definitely would look different. I can't recall the specific makes, but I remember years ago there a couple of ultralights that used
spoked wheels. (a Robertson B1RD comes to mind. ???)
Would putting spoked wheels on a Kolb really make it look like an aiplane of yester-year? I'm not sure.
Here's a candidate I found on eBay. The rear wheels would be the ones that are spoked;
http://cgi.ebay.com/Merits-MP-series-wheelchair-wheels-tires-front-and-rear-/150505635187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230ad5bd73
Mike Welch
MkIII
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racerjerry
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:18 am Post subject: Re: Another wheel question |
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This discussion brings back memories from the 60’s when I was in the army. A friend was relating story about when he and his brother built a go kart with an old Briggs engine and wire spoke motorcycle wheels. Said it went great for awhile, but the first time he tried to negotiate a hard corner, things came apart. He opened his shirt to show the scars where spokes penetrated his chest.
Seems that most motorcycle wheels are not designed to take side loads. Motorcycles lean into a turn and except for a trike, very little side force is encountered. If you look at front view plans for WWI aircraft, you will see wire spoke wheels with WIDE hubs that better withstand side loading.
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: Another wheel question |
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> Seems that most motorcycle wheels are not designed to take side loads.
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I wouldn't bet my retirement check on the above statement.
There are tremendous side loads on any spoke wheel, whether it be auto,
motorcycle, mountain bike, or antique airplane. Heck, I put side loads on
my wheel chair.....
john h - Side loading my walking cane. 
mkIII
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Richard Pike
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Location: Blountville, Tennessee
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Another wheel question |
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| John Hauck wrote: | Right off the top of my head, would be one way to get the mkIII in a decent 3 pt stance by raising the nose with tall skinny spoke wheels.
john h
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Decent three point stance? For those of us with short wide wives, the MKIII with it's short wide stance is ideal just like it is. If I raise it any, she'll have to bring along a step stool! <grin>
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
PS - Rather than start a non-Kolb thread, I will add this as a tag - List Member Vince Nicely, long-time FSII flyer, has added another homebuilt to his stable. A short video clip from his first flight is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPVRObkl3_0
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HShack(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:22 pm Post subject: Another wheel question |
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I may be wrong, but I think they would not support SIDE loads well.
In a message dated 10/14/2010 2:38:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: Another wheel question |
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Perhaps you guys are too young to remember when the mark of a sports car was a set of wire wheels. I know from experience that the wire wheels on the Sunbeam Alpine I drove in high school handled side loads quite nicely. I'm pretty sure the two cars pictured handled side loads just fine, too. Besides that, what are you guys doing with your Kolbs? Drifting?
Rick
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| Quote: | I may be wrong, but I think they would not support SIDE loads well.
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I don't know about metal spoke wheels but I did use the narrow nylon type 26" bike wheels on my Ralley 2 B years ago to land in hay fields and check live stock.. THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!!!
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Another wheel question
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:03:09 -0700
.ExternalClass .ecxhmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.ecxhmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} >I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we don't have cable, satellite or antenna, just a DVD collection) >but looking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. >Anybody tried this? Have pictures?
>Rick Girard
Rick,
It definitely would look different. I can't recall the specific makes, but I remember years ago there a couple of ultralights that used
spoked wheels. (a Robertson B1RD comes to mind. ???)
Would putting spoked wheels on a Kolb really make it look like an aiplane of yester-year? I'm not sure.
Here's a candidate I found on eBay. The rear wheels would be the ones that are spoked;
http://cgi.ebay.com/Merits-MP-series-wheelchair-wheels-tires-front-and-rear-/150505635187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230ad5bd73
Mike Welch
MkIII
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This is not my plane. It was one I considered purchasing at one time. This plane has never been in the air according to the seller. I think it has been disassembled and sold for parts by now. Never the less, here are the photos you asked for.
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:53:09 -0500
Subject: Another wheel question
From: aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
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I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we don't have cable, satellite or antenna, just a DVD collection) but looking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. Anybody tried this? Have pictures?
Rick Girard
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Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: Another wheel question |
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that wins the distinctive Kolb award.
On 16, Oct 2010, at 10:11 AM, K I wrote:
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Kurt
Firestar11
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:53:09 -0500
Subject: Another wheel question
From: aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we don't have cable, satellite or antenna, just a DVD collection) but looking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. Anybody tried this? Have pictures?
Rick Girard
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Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:17 am Post subject: Another wheel question |
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Bob B/Gang:
Best Kolb Twinstar I have seen.
Notice, it also has dual controls.
I like the wire wheels and fenders. Makes it look very distinctive.
john h
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: Another wheel question |
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Kurt, I agree with John and Robert. Thanks, those pictures a great place to start.
Rick
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This is not my plane. It was one I considered purchasing at one time. This plane has never been in the air according to the seller. I think it has been disassembled and sold for parts by now. Never the less, here are the photos you asked for.
Kurt
Firestar11
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:53:09 -0500
Subject: Another wheel question
From: aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we don't have cable, satellite or antenna, just a DVD collection) but looking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. Anybody tried this? Have pictures?
Rick Girard
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Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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Eugene Zimmerman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: Another wheel question |
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Ok guys, I have never seen a Kolb that didn't have more than enough drag.
Which one of these has the LEAST aerodynamic drag?
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On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
| Quote: | Kurt, I agree with John and Robert. Thanks, those pictures a great place to start.
Rick
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:11 AM, K I <wrk2win4u(at)msn.com (wrk2win4u(at)msn.com)> wrote:
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Kurt
Firestar11
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:53:09 -0500
Subject: Another wheel question
From: aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we don't have cable, satellite or antenna, just a DVD collection) but looking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. Anybody tried this? Have pictures?
Rick Girard
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
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582 Gray head
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windows blocked the attachment... dont know why it thinks it is unsafe.... try instead of an attachment.... go the right of file edit view,,, and hit "insert" then hit picture, and pick the picture and it will be imbeded in the email and not an attachment.
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Guys, I'm curious. Has anyone else had trouble viewing the pictures in my e-mail post?
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Gene,
I get the daily digest email and your photos did not show up there. Of course they are visible in the Forum view. Don't know if they show up if you get individual emails from the list.
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Gene, They came through fine for me. As to which has less drag it is a good
question for the Myth Busters.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Another wheel question |
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| Eugene Zimmerman wrote: | | Guys, I'm curious. Has anyone else had trouble viewing the pictures in my e-mail post? |
Got them OK Gene.
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they came through fine for me
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