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Brian Carpenter

Joined: 06 Mar 2008
Posts: 26
Location: TAYLOR, AZ

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:39 pm Post subject: 2000 Rudder

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I have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a Allegro 2000?  Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the fiberglass..



Brian



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hgmckay

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:55 pm Post subject: 2000 Rudder

Brian,

  

 I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. Since I built the plane  from the kit I can scan and email you the portions of the assembly manual that  covers the rudder installation. Is your plane an ELSA or a SLSA?

  

 Hugh McKay

 Allegro 2000

 Rotax 912 UL

 N661WW

  



  From: Brian Carpenter (n3081x(at)yahoo.com) 

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I        have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is        needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a        Allegro 2000?  Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the        fiberglass..



Brian



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Brian Carpenter

Joined: 06 Mar 2008
Posts: 26
Location: TAYLOR, AZ

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: 2000 Rudder

Hugh,



Thanks, It is SLSA,,, I have a A & P working with me..I was wondering if we have to drill out some rivets??

Brian



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From: Hugh McKay <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: 2000 Rudder

To: allegro-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 1:53 PM



    Brian,

  

 I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. Since I built the plane  from the kit I can scan and email you the portions of the assembly manual that  covers the rudder installation. Is your plane an ELSA or a SLSA?

  

 Hugh McKay

 Allegro 2000

 Rotax 912 UL

 N661WW

  



  From: [url=/mc/compose?to=n3081x(at)yahoo.com]Brian Carpenter[/url] 

 Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 4:34 PM

 To: [url=/mc/compose?to=allegro-list(at)matronics.com]allegro-list(at)matronics.com[/url] 

 Subject: Allegro-List: 2000 Rudder

 



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I        have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is        needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a        Allegro 2000?  Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the        fiberglass..



Brian



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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:51 am Post subject: 2000 Rudder

Brian and Hugh,



The original owner of my Allegro slightly damaged the fiberglass part of the rudder also at a tail strike. The damage is mainly aesthetic but I like to repair it.

Reason for me to ask Hugh to e-mail me also the portions of his assembly manual that cover the rudder installation. 

 Brian, if possible, could you send me a photograph of the damaged section? Thanks to both of you.

Theo van Duin (France)

Allegro 2000

71MM





 

2010/10/31 Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com (n3081x(at)yahoo.com)>

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Thanks, It is SLSA,,, I have a A & P working with me..I was wondering if we have to drill out some rivets??

 Brian



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From: Hugh McKay <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net (hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net)>

Subject: Re: 2000 Rudder

To: allegro-list(at)matronics.com (allegro-list(at)matronics.com)

 

Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 1:53 PM



    Brian,

  

 I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. Since I built the plane  from the kit I can scan and email you the portions of the assembly manual that  covers the rudder installation. Is your plane an ELSA or a SLSA?

  

 Hugh McKay

 Allegro 2000

 Rotax 912 UL

 N661WW

  



  From: Brian Carpenter 

 Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 4:34 PM

 To: allegro-list(at)matronics.com 

 Subject: 2000 Rudder

 



                    	  Quote: 	
		  	


I        have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is        needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a        Allegro 2000?  Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the        fiberglass..



Brian



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aerosiam

Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 59

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:21 am Post subject: Re: 2000 Rudder

Brian



Removal of the rudder is simple



Disconnect the 2 rudder cables

Drill out the 4 rivets holding the small pin plate on the right hand side (the pin itself  is visible thru the center hole in the plate. All the flap / elevator mounts use the same system. Checling all the pins are visible should be part of the pre-flight)

Remove the cotter pin from the top mount pin

Mark and disconnect any electrical leads

release the bottom right angled pin by pulling upwards and remove thru the plate hole



Reassembly takes a little patience lining up the pin. It is much easier if the flat end of the pin is machined conical. You can't get your fingers inside with enough force to push it thru the nylon bushing - use piers or grips.

Check the pin enters and is captive in the 'hat' on the inside of the pin plate and is visible. Rivet the plate back. 



Paul

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Brian Carpenter

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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: 2000 Rudder

Thanks Paul,



Seems that there are two rivets in the middle and 6-8 rivets around the outside edge. So the all the outside edge rivets would need to be drilled out? 

Brian



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Brian



Removal of the rudder is simple



Disconnect the 2 rudder cables

Drill out the 4 rivets holding the small pin plate on the right  hand side (the pin itself  is visible thru the center hole in the plate. All the flap / elevator mounts use the same system. Checling all the pins are visible should be part of the pre-flight)

Remove the cotter pin from the top mount pin

Mark and disconnect any electrical leads

release the bottom right angled pin by pulling upwards and remove thru the plate hole



Reassembly takes a little patience lining up the pin. It is much easier if the flat end of the pin is machined conical. You can't get your fingers inside with enough force to push it thru the nylon bushing - use piers or grips.

Check the pin enters and is captive in the 'hat' on the inside of the pin plate and is visible. Rivet the plate back. 



Paul





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aerosiam

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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:17 am Post subject: Re: 2000 Rudder

Hi Brian



From memory, I thought it was 4 outside rivets holding the pin plate but it may well be 6 as you said. 



Correct. Don't drill the 2 rivets in the middle - they hold the 'hat' that retains the pin in place.



The rudder skin is thin and fragile.



Before flying (and presumably part of normal pre-flight) check that

     cottar pin on the small mounting pin at the extreme top of the rudder

     cottar pins on each rudder cable

     the bottom pin is visible just behind  the tiny hole in the pin plate. This indicates it is   correctly positioned and captive.



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