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pennington(at)q.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: RV 9A

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Hello everyone

 I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb,  cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they  may have.

  

 Can anyone advise me?

 Thanks

 Gary Pennington

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payaremchuk(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: RV 9A

Hi Gary,

I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.

I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback.

first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well.

 otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7"

is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower.

One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. 

 I guess you could call that 

'compromise #1'

I'll try to comment further later.

thx

Perry

0-320 w/ Sensenich fp



On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com (pennington(at)q.com)> wrote:

 [quote]        Hello everyone

 I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb,  cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they  may have.

  

 Can anyone advise me?

 Thanks

 Gary Pennington

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nite97m(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: RV 9A

Hi Perry,



Is your 9A a slider or tip-up?  I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way.

 



Matthew

Blue Skies & Soft Landingshttp://www.mattshangar.info

http://www.schlegelhome.info

 

 



On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com (payaremchuk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] Hi Gary,

I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.

I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback.

first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well.

  otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7"

is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower.

One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. 

  I guess you could call that 

'compromise #1'

I'll try to comment further later.

thx

Perry

0-320 w/ Sensenich fp



On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com (pennington(at)q.com)> wrote:

  

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		           Hello everyone

 I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb,  cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they  may have.

  

 Can anyone advise me?

 Thanks

 Gary Pennington

   

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pennington(at)q.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:39 pm Post subject: RV 9A

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Hello Perry

 Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in  the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. 

 Thanks again

 Gary Pennington

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wowens(at)darientel.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: RV 9A

Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six  feet one  and had the booster cushion on his side under the  comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room.  

Mine has a 160 hp Superior  engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts.  

The tip up has much better access to the avionics.  

   

       

From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON

 Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM

 To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV 9A  

  

  

       

Hello Perry  

    

Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too.   

    

Thanks again  

    

Gary Pennington  

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pennington(at)q.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:04 am Post subject: RV 9A

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Good morning

 I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. 

 Thanks for the info.

 Gary Pennington

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dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: RV 9A

Hi Gary,

Dan is absolutely correct.  The 9 and 7 use the same fuselage.  Since you are sitting on the floor of the cabin on a cushion the thickness of the cushion is about the only way you can gain headroom.  We have had discussion about fitting the tip up canopy.  It comes to requiring quite a bit of trimming and fitting.  If headroom is an issue you would want to be sure to trim very carefully.

Good Luck,

Dennis Thomas

RV-9, N164DV

565 hours



From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com>

To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 6:49:31 AM

Subject: Re: RV 9A



 Hi Gary:Re head room in RV-9s:  I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up).  I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great).  Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room.  My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat.  (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain."   My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.)   Leg room is another issue.  I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room.  However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back:  His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way.  Even  with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable.  With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.

 Fly safe,

Dan Bergeron

RV-7A - N307TB

200+ hours since first

flight on 08/04/09     



On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com (pennington(at)q.com)> wrote:

 [quote]         Good morning

 I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. 

 Thanks for the info.

 Gary Pennington

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wowens(at)darientel.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: RV 9A

Just thought of another difference. I leave my seat leaned all the way back and have lots of head room.  

Wayne  

   

       

From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Thomas

 Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:19 AM

 To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV 9A  

  

  

       

Hi Gary,  

    

Dan is absolutely correct.  The 9 and 7 use the same fuselage.  Since you are sitting on the floor of the cabin on a cushion the thickness of the cushion is about the only way you can gain headroom.  We have had discussion about fitting the tip up canopy.  It comes to requiring quite a bit of trimming and fitting.  If headroom is an issue you would want to be sure to trim very carefully.  

    

   

    

Good Luck,  

    

   

    

Dennis Thomas  

    

RV-9, N164DV  

    

565 hours  

    

         

  

From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com>

 To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 6:49:31 AM

 Subject: Re: RV 9A

 

 Hi Gary:    

Re head room in RV-9s:  I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up).  I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great).  Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room.  My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat.  (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain."   My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.)   Leg room is another issue.  I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room.  However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back:  His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way.  Even  with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable.  With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.  

    

Fly safe,  

    

Dan Bergeron  

    

RV-7A - N307TB  

    

200+ hours since first  

    

flight on 08/04/09         

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com (pennington(at)q.com)> wrote:        

Good morning  

    

I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.   

    

Thanks for the info.  

    

Gary Pennington  

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pennington(at)q.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: RV 9A

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Hello Dan

 Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse.

 Thanks

 Gary Pennington

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biovail2001(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: RV 9A

Hi all. 

  

 Here is another take on this thread and some details of my craft.  I have an RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on her.  She has the following set up.

   

 - Slider canopy

 -Rudder pedals set in middle section

 -Seats are from Classic Aero Design.  I am 6'1" 230lb and use one of their booster seats for proper fit. 

 -Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do not use the bracket that attaches to the rear of Vans seat.  I have about 2 inches of head room.  

  

 Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a thought that may help.  I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt system in place.  The crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion and keep ones head from hitting the canopy.  I have a 4 harness system and it is fine but not perfect.  (Hooker Harness)

  

 Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your decisions.

  

 Steve Koziol

 N424JK

 100 + and 1 year flying

 



--- On Mon, 11/1/10, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com> wrote:



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From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com>

Subject: Re: RV 9A

To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 6:53 PM



     Hello Dan

 Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse.

 Thanks

 Gary Pennington

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Robin(at)painttheweb.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:53 pm Post subject: RV 9A

Another option to maximize headroom is to consider a headband less (if that is a word) headset. This will give you either side of an inch of additional space. Also as mentioned before reclining the seat helps as well.  

   

Robin  

   

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From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steve Koziol

 Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 7:56 PM

 To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com (rv9-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: RV 9A  

  

              

Hi all.    

      

    

      

Here is another take on this thread and some details of my   craft.  I have an RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on   her.  She has the following set up.   

      

     

      

- Slider canopy   

      

-Rudder pedals set in middle section   

      

-Seats are from Classic Aero Design.  I am 6'1"   230lb and use one of their booster seats for proper fit.    

      

-Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do   not use the bracket that attaches to the rear of Vans seat.  I have   about 2 inches of head room.     

      

    

      

Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a   thought that may help.  I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt   system in place.  The crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion   and keep ones head from hitting the canopy.  I have a 4 harness system   and it is fine but not perfect.  (Hooker Harness)   

      

    

      

Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your   decisions.   

      

    

      

Steve Koziol   

      

N424JK   

      

100 + and 1 year flying   

      



   

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   From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com (pennington(at)q.com)>

   Subject: Re: RV 9A

   To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com (rv9-list(at)matronics.com)

   Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 6:53 PM            

Hello Dan   

      

Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse.   

      

Thanks   

      

Gary Pennington   

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From: Dan Bergeron (dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com)     

      

To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com (rv9-list(at)matronics.com)      

      

Sent: Monday, November   01, 2010 6:49 AM   

      

Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV   9A   

      

    

   

Hi Gary:       

Re head room in RV-9s:  I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and   RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could   account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or   canopy type (slider vs. tip-up).  I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy   and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great).  Granted, I'm only 5'-10"   but I have plenty of head room.  My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to   make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an   uncomfortable booster seat.  (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on   long trips they're literally "a pain."   My wife's conclusion   after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.)   Leg   room is another issue.  I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle   range and I'm fine with leg room.  However, I had a 6'-3"   individual sit in my airplane a while back:  His head was just touching   the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way.  Even  with the   rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable.  With a   different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get   into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.   

      

Fly safe,   

      

Dan Bergeron   

      

RV-7A - N307TB   

      

200+ hours since first   

      

flight on 08/04/09             

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com (pennington(at)q.com)>   wrote:            

Good morning   

      

I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.    

      

Thanks for the info.   

      

Gary Pennington   

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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:46 am Post subject: RV 9A

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payaremchuk(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: RV 9A

Hi Matthew,

 It's a slider. I did not build it, so can't comment on that much....but I can say that every minute spent installing nutplates saves maintenance hours later.

  There are WAAAY too many philips head screws to remove at annual! 

 apparently the slider is a bear to fit, and cutting the canopy can give some problems. 

 You really have to fly or at least ride in as many RV;s as you can, and take lots of photos and notes.

 For instance, 

 - gee, that guy has his GPS way over there, out of reach, and the glare makes it unreadable.

 - if that silly glove box weren't there, you could put another MFD for the co-pilot, or a nice digital radio/audio panel.

 - where the heck do you put your water bottle for long cross countries?

 - I'd like to put a bike in the back...is a tip-up really better?

etc.

 will try to dig up some pics if that helps.

  

 Perry



 On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Matthew Schlegel <nite97m(at)gmail.com (nite97m(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]Hi Perry,  



 Is your 9A a slider or tip-up?  I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way.

 



 Matthew

Blue Skies & Soft Landings  http://www.mattshangar.info

 http://www.schlegelhome.info



  On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com (payaremchuk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



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		   Hi Gary,

I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.

I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback.

first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well.

 otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7"

is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower.

One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. 

 I guess you could call that 

'compromise #1'

I'll try to comment further later.

thx

Perry

0-320 w/ Sensenich fp

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		       Hello everyone

 I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have.

  

 Can anyone advise me?

 Thanks

 Gary Pennington

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