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KeysFox

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: flying in Mexico

Roger 



I was in Gila Bend with my trailered Kitfox last week and went to Rocky Point Mexico but left the kitfox in the US. Missed shrimp fest. 

Sitting on Mustang Beach watching the sun rose over the Gulf from our RV now.

After not towing the Kitfox into Mexico to fly it around Rocky Point locally. I think the little Rocky Point airport would have been fine.

In addition to Mexican insurance and property documentation needed to trailer Kitfox into and out of Mexico . Does anyone have any additional advice from experience.

BJ 

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Roger Lee

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:33 am Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

BJ,



If all you are going to do is trailer into Rocky Point and fly around that area then you won't need to do anything with your Ultralight. The old air strip has been plowed under. They have a new 9000' x 300' air strip down by the Myan Palace south of town and it does have a tower, FBO and full time security. They are trying to attract larger aircraft for the tourist industry. You can land and fly there. I would however suggest you go north down towards Sandy Beach to the Reef Bar & Restaurant. They have camping with or without hook ups and a very large area for you to land and take off in any direction. I have seen several Ultralights there all the time. Rocky Point is a free port so you don't need any paperwork like a visa or auto papers. You will need your passport. If you have paperwork for your Kit Fox I would take it all with me just in case. You can fly any direction and any altitude. You should have a radio if you plan on flying into or around the tower. If you have an LSA you can actually fly down there and back. That part does take some paperwork and you need to land at the regular airport.

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: flying in Mexico

Roger,

So an LSA can be flown there but of course not on a Sport Pilot License?

Ivan

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Roger Lee

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

You can fly Light Sport into Mexico on a Light Sport License. All you need to do is go get a medical from the doctor. A plain ol'e third class medical. The Baja Bush pilots have been all through this. That is all the Mexican government wants is a pilot license and a medical, plus the regular paperwork of course. I have friends who fly down to Mexico all the time to different places in their SLSA. You can fly into the Bahama's now with a Light Sport license without even a medical. They are now having a Light Sport fly in down there just to show everyone and open it up to the LSA community. You can fly into Canada with an LSA, too. It's not tied to plane so much as it is your license.

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:49 am Post subject: flying in Mexico

Roger,

Intersting.  What does the reference mean on the back of the card to ICAO 

not approved.  Thought that meant that a sport pilot could not fly out of 

the country??  obviously i am in error.

Ivan

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Roger Lee

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

Hi Ivan,



I remember when I was told you couldn't fly out of country without special permission, but that isn't true any more. Like I said I have several friends that fly to Mexico, Canada and the Bahama's on a regular basis. The Bahamian's are inviting the LSA crowd down and advertising that they don't even care about the medical. They of course get checked just like any regular GA aircraft and no authority yet has had any issues. I don't know for sure exactly what has changed since the early days of LSA, but LSA are flying across borders without any issues now. These guys even post their across the border good experiences on the web.  I was going to post a link or two of some of my friends that fly into Mexico, but they have already posted new destinations and the Mexico trips aren't there ant more. I have a friend that will fly into Yuma, AZ next week and fly on down into Mexico. I have been flying in Mexico since 1980. I started with Ultralights and flying off the beaches and roads which many people still do. Ultralights are very common down in Mexico. When I was there last month there was a guy giving rides down off the Sandy Beach area in Rocky Point in his trike.

http://www.bahamas.com/sites/bahamas.com/files/pdf/eaa_bahamas_flyer.pdf

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: flying in Mexico

Hi Roger,

Thanks so much for the info.  you are certainly a wealth of information and 

a credit to this site.

Ivan

Phoenix,  AZ

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: flying in Mexico

http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/borders/US-Bahamas%20Bord

er%20Crossing%20Information%20for%20Homebuilts.html#TopOfPage



You may have to be an EAA member and log in to read the above.



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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:52 am Post subject: flying in Mexico

Or as a tiny URL:



http://tinyurl.com/272tqyz



Here is a quote:



"US Border Crossing Information for Homebuilts



When flying an experimental amateur-built aircraft into the Bahamas, or any

foreign nation, you must obtain prior permission. Your aircraft's operating

limitations will contain wording similar to the following:



"This aircraft does not meet the requirements of the applicable,

comprehensive, and detailed airworthiness code as provided by Annex 8 of the

International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). The owner/operator of this

aircraft must obtain written permission from another country's Civil

Aviation Authority (CAA) prior to operating this aircraft in or over that

country. That written permission must be carried aboard the aircraft

together with the U.S. airworthiness certificate and, upon request, be made

available to an FAA inspector or the CAA in the country of operation."



The EAA has worked (successfully) with Bahamian government to streamline

this procedure. In order to meet your operating limitation requirement,

print out the approval letter at the following website, meet the

requirements of the letter and carry it on board your aircraft. With this

authorization letter, your homebuilt is treated the same as any other US or

Canadian registered standard category aircraft flying to the Bahamas.



Special Authorization Letter for Operating an Experimental-Amateur Built

Aircraft in the Bahamas

For any procedural questions you may have, please contact:



Mr. Patrick Rolle

Flight Standards Manager

Dept of Civil Aviation

Nassau International Airport,

Nassau, BAHAMAS

242-377-3445 or 242-377-3448

Fax 242-377-6060

email prolle_fsi(at)coralwave.com



Visa and other information may be obtained by calling the Bahamas Embassy in

Washington DC at (202) 319-2660.



Concerned about current border crossing procedures? Call the FAA Miami FSDO

at 305-716-3400, extension 108 or 200 for the answers.



NOTAM's

Current security levels in the USA call for all flights crossing

international borders to follow special procedures. These procedures are

spelled out in NOTAM's (Notices to Airmen). It is imperative that pilots

understand and follow the procedures called out in these NOTAM's. NOTAM info

can be obtained by calling Flight Service at 800-WXBRIEF.



Radio Station License:

Note: Any U.S. pilot flying into foreign countries must have a Restricted

Radiotelephone Operator Permit. The application form for this (FCC form 605

(http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#605) is available from the Washington FCC

office, (717) 337-1431. Although this license is not required for U.S.

citizens flying within the continental U.S., anytime you cross a foreign

border, it is necessary to have it.



US Customs info is available at http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel. Download

the document titled "Guide For Private Flyers".

Have an enjoyable trip!



If you have any questions or have any problems, please contact EAA

Government Programs at (920)426-6537."



-- Craig



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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: flying in Mexico

Rides at Rocky Point?  Must be Ole.  He does that a lot in Mexico.

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dave

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

 	  Roger Lee wrote: 	
		  You can fly Light Sport into Mexico on a Light Sport License. All you need to do is go get a medical from the doctor. A plain ol'e third class medical. The Baja Bush pilots have been all through this. That is all the Mexican government wants is a pilot license and a medical, plus the regular paperwork of course. I have friends who fly down to Mexico all the time to different places in their SLSA. You can fly into the Bahama's now with a Light Sport license without even a medical. They are now having a Light Sport fly in down there just to show everyone and open it up to the LSA community. You can fly into Canada with an LSA, too. It's not tied to plane so much as it is your license. 	






You can fly into Canada with an LSA, too. It's not tied to plane so much as it is your license.





Roger - yes on the LSA aircraft  but A LSA license  holder is not legal in Canada without a "aviation medical" 

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rparigoris

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

"Roger - yes on the LSA aircraft but A LSA license holder is not legal in Canada without a "aviation medical""



FWIW I attended a Hot air balloon meet in Gander in 1998, they required US pilots have a valid medical, Class 2 in my case because I have a Commercial and thats what was required for the meet.



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Roger Lee

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

We are only talking about LSA pilots and LSA aircraft. No PPL's, experimental or GA.



All an LSA pilot has to do to meet a medical standard is go to the FAA Doc. like everyone else and get a third class medical. No where does it say it has to be tied to your license or that it has to be a private pilot. They usually just say a pilot license with a medical. That's it. Like I said I have friends that cross all three borders mentioned above all the time and there isn't any issues. I don't think writings have kept up real life. Some are private pilots in SLSA's and some are LSA pilots with LSA aircraft. We are only talking about a medical here and no other paperwork. When you cross any border other paperwork is required along with a flight plan. I know they have been doing it this way because most of these guys have been doing it for well over a year maybe 2.

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:51 am Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

"You can fly into Canada with an LSA, too. It's not tied to plane so much as it is your license."



Roger,



For an American pilot to fly into Canada (and land) s/he must have a Private or higher pilot certificate with current FAA medical. His aircraft must have a 406Mhz ELT and 12" high registration letters, and a FCC radio license. All ICAO requirements.



Although Canada has a couple "less than private" pilot certificates (including ultralight and advanced ultralight) none of them are equivalent to the USA Sport Pilot Certificate (please don't call them LSA licenses). That is why they do not yet recognize the Sport Pilot Certificate as valid for entry into Canada. Also, the pilot must register with the eAPIS system (applies to both Canada and Mexico) and provide details of who is crossing the border, which port of entry, and when the flight is planned for. This must be done about two hours (I think) of the actual border crossing.



I have no idea how well Mexico enforces their regulations but am certain that Transport Canada does each and every time an aircraft crosses from the USA. 



Bottom line, at least with Canada, is there is more to it than your description makes it sound. It is not that big a deal as long as the US Pilot and his aircraft qualify but there are rules that must be followed and Canada enforces them.



If you are flying through Canada airspace with no intention of landing, then the same rules apply except for the port of entry thing. However, the pilot and aircraft must be on a VFR or IFR flight plan when crossing the border and throughout the flight while in Canadian airspace and be in radio contact with Transport Canada.

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Roger Lee

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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

Hi All,



Sorry, I need to eat my words on the Canada LSA license part. You are right about the PPL requirement for the LSA to cross over for Canada, but the LSA plane can with a pilot and his PPL. The Bahamas and Mexico still don't require a PPL and an LSA license pilot with a third class medical can still fly in these two.

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dave

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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

 	  Roger Lee wrote: 	
		  Hi All,



Sorry, I need to eat my words on the Canada LSA license part. You are right about the PPL requirement for the LSA to cross over for Canada, but the LSA plane can with a pilot and his PPL. The Bahamas and Mexico still don't require a PPL and an LSA license pilot with a third class medical can still fly in these two. 	




Roger,  You do not need a PPL or higher to fly in Canada for US guys.  You need a Avaition medical which I suppose that you could get with a LSA ticket.  But that is why is was created so that people can fly before they become unfit in the case that they do.  



I cannot see Canada backing off as if they did then they would have to reduce the requirements for us. 

Cheers and how do you like your crow

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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: flying in Mexico

Hi Dave,



Crow is ok with me so long as it isn't over cooked and has a touch of BBQ sauce. I like it slightly on the rare side.   

If you have never had crow then you must not be human.  

That's why we are all here to add to our mental file cabinet. I learn something everyday even though it may be worthless at times. Kind of like, coconuts have 11 stages of development. 

At this rate crow may become an endangered species.



Eat more beef!

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