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Matt Dralle
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Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
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jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:25 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Yahoo run lists for free. No charge at all. Same services.
Founder, NimbusDB, Inc.
978 526-1376
On Nov 17, 2010, at 3:08 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Discover
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:51 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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There is also lots of spam on the yahoo lists.
Matronics rules!
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 17, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Jim Starkey <jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com> wrote:
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Yahoo run lists for free. No charge at all. Same services.
Founder, NimbusDB, Inc.
978 526-1376
On Nov 17, 2010, at 3:08 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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> Dear Listers,
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> Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
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> But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
> best investments you can make in your Sport...
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> List Contribution Web Site:
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
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> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
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> Thank you for your support!
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> Matt Dralle
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grumpyparts
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:06 am Post subject: Re: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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They also don't offer it in forum format. Please don't start yet another Grumman related list, three is quite enough to try and follow thank you.
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flyadive(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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THREE! ! !
Really, I did not know that, what is the third list?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:06 AM, grumpyparts <i.r.m(at)btinternet.com (i.r.m(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
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They also don't offer it in forum format. Please don't start yet another Grumman related list, three is quite enough to try and follow thank you.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319764#319764
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jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Not true. No spam at all.
Founder, NimbusDB, Inc.
978 526-1376
On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:44 AM, 923te <923te(at)att.net> wrote:
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There is also lots of spam on the yahoo lists.
Matronics rules!
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 17, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Jim Starkey <jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com> wrote:
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> Yahoo run lists for free. No charge at all. Same services.
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> On Nov 17, 2010, at 3:08 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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>> Dear Listers,
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>> Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
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>> But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
>> best investments you can make in your Sport...
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>> List Contribution Web Site:
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>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>> Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
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>> Matt Dralle / Matronics
>> 581 Jeannie Way
>> Livermore CA 94550
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>> Thank you for your support!
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>> Matt Dralle
>> Email List Administrator
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Discover
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Is true on the yahoo groups I've been involved with
Some groups have so little activity that they have no spam
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 17, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Jim Starkey <jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com> wrote:
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Not true. No spam at all.
Founder, NimbusDB, Inc.
978 526-1376
On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:44 AM, 923te <923te(at)att.net> wrote:
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> On Nov 17, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Jim Starkey <jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com> wrote:
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>> Yahoo run lists for free. No charge at all. Same services.
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>> Founder, NimbusDB, Inc.
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>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 3:08 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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>>> Dear Listers,
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>>> Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
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>>> But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
>>> best investments you can make in your Sport...
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>>> List Contribution Web Site:
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>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>> Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
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>>> Matt Dralle / Matronics
>>> 581 Jeannie Way
>>> Livermore CA 94550
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>>> Thank you for your support!
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>>> Matt Dralle
>>> Email List Administrator
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Discover
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Sure they do. Well I guess it depends on your definition of forum format....
Here is the link. See for yourself
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grummanaircraft/
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:06 AM, "grumpyparts" <i.r.m(at)btinternet.com> wrote:
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Yahoo has advertising too. We don't have to deal with slow page loading due to someone slamming the page with ads.
From: Jim Starkey <jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com>
To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 4:21:36 AM
Subject: Re: What's My Contribution Used For?
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Jim Starkey <jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com (jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com)>
Yahoo run lists for free. No charge at all. Same services.
Founder, NimbusDB, Inc.
978 526-1376
On Nov 17, 2010, at 3:08 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)> wrote:
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Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List
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jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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This isn't what this list is about. That said, you're wrong. I'm on two different Yahoo lists, neither has advertising, and neither has spam. Each has more members and more postings than this list.
If multiple announcements of a fund raiser isn't spam, that I apparently don't know what spam. Also, if you look below, you will see advertising by three companies. And, in general, Matronics mail has more boilerplate than Yahoo.
I've written list server software and run a variety of lists on my own servers. If you already have a server and a decent Internet connection, the cost is about zip. Servers are dirt cheap, disks are essentially free, and any number of open source list server software packages are available for free.
I don't have any deep objections to Matronics other than it is more obnoxious than any other list server I have dealt with, and the only with with an annual begging campaign. But I put up with that on public radio and I can put up with it here. But let's not pretend this is manna from heaven.
On 11/17/2010 1:17 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: [quote] Yahoo has advertising too. We don't have to deal with slow page loading due to someone slamming the page with ads.
From: Jim Starkey <jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com> (jstarkey(at)nimbusdb.com)
To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com" (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com) <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com> (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)
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Yahoo run lists for free. No charge at all. Same services.
Founder, NimbusDB, Inc.
978 526-1376
On Nov 17, 2010, at 3:08 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)> wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
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> Dear Listers,
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> Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
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> But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List
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Founder, NimbusDB, Inc.
978 526-1376
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Gee Jim,
The nice thing about Gary Vogt's Team Grumman list is that you can post whatever the hell you like.
Could it be that your mistaken?
When I click on "About Our Ads" on the Yahoo Group it goes to this link and talks about their ads:
http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/relevantads.html
Here are 2 pictures of the ads on the grummanaircraft group home page:
[img]cid:930D540069F34E35A42BDC2B4377D9A8(at)JULES[/img]
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Like Gary said Matronics has NO Ads.
Other than Matt Dralle's annual fund raiser it has no spam or ads of any kind. And Matt has very relevant forums. So I kinda of like to see him supported since no one else has what he offers for us aviation enthusiasts. If you know of other open source free forums / list servers that are better it would be nice to let us know them.
AYA pays quite a lot for thir useless system and could use some help!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Just got an email from yahoo group. It has ads too. See at the bottom:
[img]cid:151F1C765A554D889A490F407D9E87DE(at)JULES[/img]
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OK, I stand corrected. There aren't ads except when there are ads. This really isn' worth arguing about.
On 11/17/2010 2:11 PM, 923te wrote: [quote] Like Gary said Matronics has NO Ads.
Other than Matt Dralle's annual fund raiser it has no spam or ads of any kind. And Matt has very relevant forums. So I kinda of like to see him supported since no one else has what he offers for us aviation enthusiasts. If you know of other open source free forums / list servers that are better it would be nice to let us know them.
AYA pays quite a lot for thir useless system and could use some help!
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What is the issue with a few links/ads? I love it when someone else buys my lunch 
I am sure I will get whacked for saying this, but it seems this is largely the Gary list more than the grumman list. I enjoy it, get good info, and follow it. However I really think we should all try to get grumman relevant information in one place and while the grumman-gang has it's issues, it also has many contributors. I don't see adds, list spam, or fund raising there. I do see opinions, repeat discussions, and occasional flame wars, but that happens anywhere you get a large group together.
I am sure there is some history as to why things are what they are.... That being the case, I will follow because Gary is a great resource and contributor, but don't wish to contribute to fund a list based upon whatever that history may be.
With hosting services being what they are today (nearly free), funding a T1 and hardware to host something like this is crazy... I can't figure out why Matt would want to do it and how it is a better solution than doing something else.
My $0.02 which is worth much less than a few years ago.
On Nov 17, 2010, at 1:20 PM, "923te" <923te(at)att.net (923te(at)att.net)> wrote:
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Just got an email from yahoo group. It has ads too. See at the bottom:
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Discover
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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Can you guys that know tell where the free or almost free hosting list server / forums are?
Thanx
Ned
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With hosting services being what they are today (nearly free), funding a T1 and hardware to host something like this is crazy... I can't figure out why Matt would want to do it and how it is a better solution than doing something else.
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Scott(at)hjermstad.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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I have used Hostmonster (among others) for years to host many functions, to include list servers. Unlimited bandwidth and storage, using an OC48 for access to the Internet for about $8 a month. You can setup a basic email list server in about 15 minutes. This is much more bandwidth than the T1 mentioned. Assuming a refresh of a single low end server of around $2K for a self hosted solution, one could use a service like this for about 20 years and save the bandwidth, power, and maintenance costs.
Something like this would certainly be suitable to house a list service similar to what we are using with Matronics. I could never see choosing to host something like this myself, knowing capable and cheap solutions exist for hosting.
Also, I haven't paid a dime, nor been asked to, to use the grumman-gang. Since the list we are discussing this on is grumman focused, it is a perfectly suitable option (in my opinion). Looking at the posters to TeamGrumman, it is relatively safe to say most of us are already using the other list, with a handful of topics showing up here that are different.
All of this being said, I applaud those giving up their personal time to provide services like this. I just can't see why they would want to invest in the infrastructure too.
On Nov 17, 2010, at 2:44 PM, 923te <923te(at)att.net (923te(at)att.net)> wrote:
[quote]Can you guys that know tell where the free or almost free hosting list server / forums are?
Thanx
Ned
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With hosting services being what they are today (nearly free), funding a T1 and hardware to host something like this is crazy... I can't figure out why Matt would want to do it and how it is a better solution than doing something else.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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The story goes something like this.
Years ago, and I mean years ago, something like 13 plus years ago, like so many others who own a Grumman, I joined the Grumman Gang. Getting booted off the the GG the first time for sending out a Christmas wish was quite a shocker. But, having Mark send an email saying, in effect, "If you say you're sorry and promise to follow the rules, I'l let you back on." At the time, another GG user, to whom I'd mentioned this exchange, said, "Oh, yea, if you grovel enough, Mark always let's you back on."
My first thought was, "Great, now my mother is running a forum for airplanes." Still, I groveled and got back on. Not long after that, I got a virus infected email from the GG and wrote and said as much. Since the content wasn't directly Grumman related, I got booted again. Groveled again. Got back on. Then got kicked off again for something. It was at that point I went looking for a -list server.
That is when I found Matronics. It wasn't everything I wanted, but, when I talked to Matt, he told me it was a self regulating forum. That is, we police ourselves.
My thought at the time was, "If I can move Grumman topic discussion traffic to TeamGrumman-List, I won't have to deal with Mark's need to be my mother." While on GG again, I added the TeamGrumman-List email address along with my company name, AuCountry Aviation. Mark started blocking me emails. Needless to say, the traffic didn't come. That's fine. My control issues have to do with me, not how others choose to live. After I got kicked off again, for the fourth time, for something I can't remember, I rejoined under the name, FlyingTiger0747(at)aol.com.
I was on GG for 2 years under the name FlyingTiger0747(at)aol.com. I never signed my emails. Then, getting brave, I let a few people know who I was. Bob Stewart was the first to make a reference to me as FlyingTiger0747 on GG. It probably wasn't a month later that I responded to someone who posted on GG with a question something like, "My A&P wants to cut a circular access cover under the spar at the outboard edge of the fuel tank so that it will be easier to seal." My response, "When are Grumman owners going to stop taking their planes to mechanics that don't know a *&()^%&( thing about Grummans?"
For that, I got booted off again. It was Grumman related. I didn't say "Merry Christmas." I didn't write about virus' in emails. I guess someone with a dirty mind didn't like what he/she/it translated *&()^%&( into.
Since then, now and then, one of my customers sends me a screen shot of the topics on GG and I may or may not request more info. The most annoying part of GG was, and still is, Ron's holier than thou approach to literally every topic that is mentioned. No one ever gets in the last word. Where does he find the time to insert himself into every topic?
TeamGrumman-list may not be the answer to everyone's idea of an open forum. I'm OK with that. Scott says TG-List is my list. It isn't anyones list. I started posting pictures and stories in a vain attempt to get others to share. I'm sure Cliff has his share of stories. As well as Linn. Hell, they're both older than me. Ned is just a pup, but I'll bet he has quite a few stories. Bob Hodo probably has a few, too, if he'd care to spin a yarn or two.
Oh, and just to stay on topic: contributions. I usually contribute each year. I didn't last year or this year because I don't have any spare cash. Maybe next year.
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cwleach
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: What's My Contribution Used For? |
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If you think Ron overruns the Grumman Gang messages, check his participation on the AOPA Forum ...
Cap'n Ron
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Salisbury, MD
Posts: 25,851
That's over 400 posts/month, every month, for nearly 6 years!
Personally, I'd rather spend my efforts piloting an airplane than a keyboard.
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