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Hi, all... Im using a Flightline interior and foam door seals that attach to the door, and Im planning on putting that seal where the door interior transitions to paint (see attached drawing). Has anyone done anything similar and have any guidance (or pictures)? I figure the foam seal will mask the transition between the interior fabric and the painted door edge.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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I meant to label the picture--blue is the interior, red is the paint, and
green is the door seal.
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[quote] Hi, all... Im using a Flightline interior and foam door seals that attach
to the door, and Im planning on putting that seal where the door interior
transitions to paint (see attached drawing). Has anyone done anything
similar and have any guidance (or pictures)? I figure the foam seal will
mask the transition between the interior fabric and the painted door edge
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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I recently installed my interior from Abby. Her plans have you wrap the interior fabric around the edge and glue it down to the 1/2 inch vertical lip if that makes sense. I thought I had a picture but I can't find it right now and I won't be back to the hanger until Saturday. Having said that though I don't see a reason why you couldn't terminate your fabric under your door seal and paint the edges. In fact it will probably give you a cleaner look. Bottom line, although her plans are different you should be fine with what you are planning as long as you are accounting for the additional thickness in fitting the doors and the trimming of your canopy lip.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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Have you thought of using the McMaster-Carr seal? That is what we used thanks to others before us and are very pleased with it.
Ron
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:35 am Post subject: Re: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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Rob,
Abbie didn't have the seals when I did mine but it looks like hers is about the same as what I did.
I got the idea from Dave at Aircrafters. I got the foam from MC also but it is not the same as the seal others are referring to. I think it works great.
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I've thought about it, and it looks nice, but it's too late for me without significantly reworking the door edge. I'm hoping to fly this thing sometime this century 
-Rob
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Have you thought of using the McMaster-Carr seal? That is what we used thanks to others before us and are very pleased with it.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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Rob there are 90 years left in this century. That's just about the right amount of time to rework the doors.
On a serious note the MC door seals are just about the best choice available. Better now than later.
Robin
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I've thought about it, and it looks nice, but it's too late for me without significantly reworking the door edge. I'm hoping to fly this thing sometime this century
-Rob
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Ron B. <cfxoa(at)klis.com (cfxoa(at)klis.com)> wrote:
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Have you thought of using the McMaster-Carr seal? That is what we used thanks to others before us and are very pleased with it.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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ha. 90 years indeed... I recently decided to rework my door frames for the MC door seals, and it didn't turn out to be that big of a deal. the biggest bummer is that I had to cut the gas strut mount out of the overhead console. I bought the Planearound strut mount, and it's pretty much a drop in replacement. I'm super happy with how the door frames/seals work now, as I've also got the Planearound 3rd door latch thingy (90 retrofit model). I've been covered in dust for the duration of the project, but it really worked out nice.
cj
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Rob there are 90 years left in this century. That's just about the right amount of time to rework the doors.
On a serious note the MC door seals are just about the best choice available. Better now than later.
Robin
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On Dec 2, 2010 10:35 AM, "Rob Kochman" <rv10rob(at)gmail.com<mailto:rv10rob(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
I've thought about it, and it looks nice, but it's too late for me without significantly reworking the door edge. I'm hoping to fly this thing sometime this century
-Rob
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Ron B. <cfxoa(at)klis.com<mailto:cfxoa(at)klis.com>> wrote:
Have you thought of using the McMaster-Carr seal? That is what we used thanks to others before us and are very pleased with it.
Ron
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:02 pm Post subject: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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Out of curiosity, when using the mcmaster seals on the cabin top, what do the seals press against? If you're using an interior, I'd imagine you'd have to end it before the point at which the seals presses.
-Rob
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ha. 90 years indeed... I recently decided to rework my door frames for the MC door seals, and it didn't turn out to be that big of a deal. the biggest bummer is that I had to cut the gas strut mount out of the overhead console. I bought the Planearound strut mount, and it's pretty much a drop in replacement. I'm super happy with how the door frames/seals work now, as I've also got the Planearound 3rd door latch thingy (90 retrofit model). I've been covered in dust for the duration of the project, but it really worked out nice.
cj
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Rob there are 90 years left in this century. That's just about the right amount of time to rework the doors.
On a serious note the MC door seals are just about the best choice available. Better now than later.
Robin
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On Dec 2, 2010 10:35 AM, "Rob Kochman" <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)<mailto:rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)>> wrote:
I've thought about it, and it looks nice, but it's too late for me without significantly reworking the door edge. I'm hoping to fly this thing sometime this century
-Rob
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Ron B. <cfxoa(at)klis.com (cfxoa(at)klis.com)<mailto:cfxoa(at)klis.com (cfxoa(at)klis.com)>> wrote:
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Have you thought of using the McMaster-Carr seal? That is what we used thanks to others before us and are very pleased with it.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:27 pm Post subject: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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Rob
It compresses against the door interior (not the edge)
Cheers
Les
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Sent: December-03-10 1:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals
Out of curiosity, when using the mcmaster seals on the cabin top, what do the seals press against? If you're using an interior, I'd imagine you'd have to end it before the point at which the seals presses.
-Rob
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Chris Johnston <CJohnston(at)popsound.com (CJohnston(at)popsound.com)> wrote:
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ha. 90 years indeed... I recently decided to rework my door frames for the MC door seals, and it didn't turn out to be that big of a deal. the biggest bummer is that I had to cut the gas strut mount out of the overhead console. I bought the Planearound strut mount, and it's pretty much a drop in replacement. I'm super happy with how the door frames/seals work now, as I've also got the Planearound 3rd door latch thingy (90 retrofit model). I've been covered in dust for the duration of the project, but it really worked out nice.
cj
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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:35 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals
Rob there are 90 years left in this century. That's just about the right amount of time to rework the doors.
On a serious note the MC door seals are just about the best choice available. Better now than later.
Robin
Sent from Android phone
Probably while driving
On Dec 2, 2010 10:35 AM, "Rob Kochman" <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)<mailto:rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)>> wrote:
I've thought about it, and it looks nice, but it's too late for me without significantly reworking the door edge. I'm hoping to fly this thing sometime this century
-Rob
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Ron B. <cfxoa(at)klis.com (cfxoa(at)klis.com)<mailto:cfxoa(at)klis.com (cfxoa(at)klis.com)>> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com (cfxoa(at)klis.com)<mailto:cfxoa(at)klis.com (cfxoa(at)klis.com)>>
Have you thought of using the McMaster-Carr seal? That is what we used thanks to others before us and are very pleased with it.
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I tried a foam seal filling the gap and finally decided to go for the McM seal. It gives a nice finished edge and apparently is gaining popularity.
The McM seal definitely takes some time to install - lots of dust and cutting, but in the end looks great.
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I can not seem to be able to find the part number for the McMaster door seal being discussed right now. Does anyone have it handy or remember it? I will be starting my canopy in about a month and might as well go that route. Thanks!
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Hey David,
Here's what I think they use http://www.mcmaster.com/#edge-seals/=4175l2 part #1120A313 (look in right column).
I'll try to attach Les's documentation that I saved -- excellent write up!
Later, - Lew
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:16 am Post subject: Flightline interior w/ alternative door seals |
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This is a great doc, with one exception. If you notice the photo of the cross section of the door seal, you will see a barb on the same side as the seal. It needs to be on the other side (interior of the door). It should be #2, not #3. There is enough fit issues without adding more mass between the cabin cover frame and the door.
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Myself and several others have used 1120A411, Edge-Grip Rubber Seal Bulb Opposite Grabber, 1/4" Edge, 3/8" Bulb Width.
The difference is that it has a ¼” edge, as oppose to 3/8”. We added a few ply of fiberglass to the back side of the cabin cover frame to ensure a tight fit for the ¼” seal. This also has the benefit off adding more mass to the cabin cover to offset some of the structure that was removed in the rain gutter.
Probably no right way to do it……. Just the method that you think works best for you.
bob
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Hey David,
Here's what I think they use http://www.mcmaster.com/#edge-seals/=4175l2 part #1120A313 (look in right column).
I'll try to attach Les's documentation that I saved -- excellent write up!
Later, - Lew
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