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Deems Davis
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 Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter : https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some commercial BT headset/mic?
As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
Deems
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Tim Olson
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Battery life....and function once the batteries die. You'd be cut off, potentially without knowing.
Tim
On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net (deemsdavis(at)cox.net)> wrote:
[quote] Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter : https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some commercial BT headset/mic?
As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
Deems
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net (deemsdavis(at)cox.net)> wrote:
[quote] Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter : https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some commercial BT headset/mic?
As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
Deems
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:44 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
flying Part 135 or 121.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know
that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter
that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so
inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
commercial BT headset/mic?
As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
Deems
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Deems Davis
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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Good point about the battery, but BT devices don't require a lot of power, and it seems that the devices could run for quite some time on a battery and carrying backup batteries shouldn't be an issue, you need to do that for your Noise Canceling equip anyway. Years ago, I was flying with a Sigtronics intercom that was battery powered, when the batteries went out so did the headset (happened to me IFR over the Sierras). So there's an instance of a com'l (TSO'd?) device that was battery dependent.
It seems that the experimental market usually leads in innovation on these type of things, and I for one, would certainly like to have a 'cordless cockpit'.
Deems
On 12/6/2010 5:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: [quote] | Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> (apilot2(at)gmail.com)
There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
flying Part 135 or 121.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> (Tim(at)myrv10.com) wrote:
| Quote: | Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> (deemsdavis(at)cox.net) wrote:
Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know
that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter
that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so
inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
commercial BT headset/mic?
As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
Deems
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
come out with a nice high-end product that they
want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
them if they produced something that quit working
when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
dude, or small company, willing to take the
risk blindly and come out with a product...but
then again, to date there aren't many really
true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
either you want cheap, or you want real nice
quality...which limits it to only a few headset
choices.
If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
it probably won't ever happen.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
flying Part 135 or 121.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>
> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
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> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know
> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter
> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so
> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>
> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
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> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
> commercial BT headset/mic?
>
> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>
> Deems
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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Not exactly.... Bluetooth headsets do well with battery, in
standby. Actual talk time life, and streaming music life
isn't nearly as good. If you got rechargeables, it would be
inconvenient to charge...pulling the headsets out to charge
or whatever, after a flight. Could be a pain on a long
trip. Carrying lots of batteries would be a pain too.
FWIW, my noise cancelling headsets are all LEMO jack, panel
powered....so I haven't replaced a battery in a cockpit device
other than my camera and my O2 pulse ox meter, in many years.
Don't get me wrong, I think a cordless cockpit would be
awesome. I just think with batteries involved, it would
be a pain in the butt at best, and a safety issue at worst,
so I understand why we don't see that particular innovation.
Especially when headset makers are competing with eachother
based on weight, where 1.5 oz differences get written
up as huge by the reviewers. Throw 2 AA's in the earcup
of your headsets and they're off balance. Throw 2 per
side so they balance, and now they're heavy.
Try that with the clarity aloft. 
I do agree with you...I HATE cables in the cockpit. (I
don't mind charging my iphone or ipad, but I hate lots
of cables) So, right now today actually, I just
ordered a pile of stuff that will be a future write-up
that I think some people will be interested in.
For someone with technical ability, it probably actually
wouldn't be too hard to take your own headset and build
a bluetooth link for it. It may look like crap and
be a pain in the butt, but it should be do-able.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/6/2010 7:04 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
| Quote: | Good point about the battery, but BT devices don't require a lot of
power, and it seems that the devices could run for quite some time on a
battery and carrying backup batteries shouldn't be an issue, you need to
do that for your Noise Canceling equip anyway. Years ago, I was flying
with a Sigtronics intercom that was battery powered, when the batteries
went out so did the headset (happened to me IFR over the Sierras). So
there's an instance of a com'l (TSO'd?) device that was battery dependent.
It seems that the experimental market usually leads in innovation on
these type of things, and I for one, would certainly like to have a
'cordless cockpit'.
Deems
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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Quick follow-up....
Last week I called Pilot Avionics, who make the BluLink
Bluetooth headset thing. Currently, they are only powered
by batteries, even if you use the LEMO jack. (this will
be changing in the future)
They advertise 15-45 hours of battery life, with standby
time of 100 hours. When I talked to them, asking if the
system can be plane-powered by the LEMO plug, they
quickly inquired as to my expected use. They said that
batteries generally work fine....but specified that they
were talking about cellphone use. They said "well, you
don't really use the cellphone a long time anyway, BUT,
if you're talking about bluetooth streaming music,
then you'll have MUCH lower battery life because that
chews the batteries much worse."
http://pilotbluelink.com/techspecs.html
So keeping that in mind, if you are on a trip, and take
their specs of 15-45 hours as true with 45 being phone
use, and 15 being music use, it's easy to see how
the batteries using bluetooth would only last 15 hours
for intercom use where you're constantly listening to
ATC, AWOS, co-pilot, and maybe use some music or
whatever. Now, if battery life were 15 hours for
your bluetooth wireless headset, how convenient is
that going to be when you're doing a 5 leg trip where
you're flying for a few hours a day like I generally
have been doing? That's the rub.
Nothing against the bluelink in particular because if
you are using that, your headset audio is more pass-thru,
and they're just mixing in bluetooth audio for music and
phone. I'm just not interested in spending a couple
hundred bucks a year for disposable batteries for all
my headsets, or dealing with the inconvenience of showing
up at the hangar and finding out my rechargeable batteries
are dead.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/6/2010 7:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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Not exactly.... Bluetooth headsets do well with battery, in
standby. Actual talk time life, and streaming music life
isn't nearly as good. If you got rechargeables, it would be
inconvenient to charge...pulling the headsets out to charge
or whatever, after a flight. Could be a pain on a long
trip. Carrying lots of batteries would be a pain too.
FWIW, my noise cancelling headsets are all LEMO jack, panel
powered....so I haven't replaced a battery in a cockpit device
other than my camera and my O2 pulse ox meter, in many years.
Don't get me wrong, I think a cordless cockpit would be
awesome. I just think with batteries involved, it would
be a pain in the butt at best, and a safety issue at worst,
so I understand why we don't see that particular innovation.
Especially when headset makers are competing with eachother
based on weight, where 1.5 oz differences get written
up as huge by the reviewers. Throw 2 AA's in the earcup
of your headsets and they're off balance. Throw 2 per
side so they balance, and now they're heavy.
Try that with the clarity aloft.
I do agree with you...I HATE cables in the cockpit. (I
don't mind charging my iphone or ipad, but I hate lots
of cables) So, right now today actually, I just
ordered a pile of stuff that will be a future write-up
that I think some people will be interested in.
For someone with technical ability, it probably actually
wouldn't be too hard to take your own headset and build
a bluetooth link for it. It may look like crap and
be a pain in the butt, but it should be do-able.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/6/2010 7:04 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
> Good point about the battery, but BT devices don't require a lot of
> power, and it seems that the devices could run for quite some time on a
> battery and carrying backup batteries shouldn't be an issue, you need to
> do that for your Noise Canceling equip anyway. Years ago, I was flying
> with a Sigtronics intercom that was battery powered, when the batteries
> went out so did the headset (happened to me IFR over the Sierras). So
> there's an instance of a com'l (TSO'd?) device that was battery
> dependent.
> It seems that the experimental market usually leads in innovation on
> these type of things, and I for one, would certainly like to have a
> 'cordless cockpit'.
>
> Deems
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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The TSO (technical Standard Order) is a just document that describes
the minimum parameters that must be met by the product that is
manufactured for aviation .... whatever the product may be. Bluetooth,
being a relative new communication medium may not have risen to the top
of the FAA proposed TSO list. I don't expect to see bluetooth headsets
with a TSO due to the firmware/software required to configure the
bluetooth link.
RST engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) may be able to
come up with a solution or the resons why it's not feasible ..... I
didn't ask.
Linn
On 12/6/2010 8:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
come out with a nice high-end product that they
want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
them if they produced something that quit working
when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
dude, or small company, willing to take the
risk blindly and come out with a product...but
then again, to date there aren't many really
true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
either you want cheap, or you want real nice
quality...which limits it to only a few headset
choices.
If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
it probably won't ever happen.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>
> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
> flying Part 135 or 121.
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I
>> know
>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT
>> receiver/transmitter
>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for
>> those so
>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have
>> truly
>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>>
>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>>
>>
>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use
>> some
>> commercial BT headset/mic?
>>
>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>>
>> Deems
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Kelly McMullen
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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I did some more checking. Only DC, Bose and Sennheiser seem to get
approval on all their headsets. Lightspeed, Telex, Signtronics and
Clarity Aloft all offer non-TSO headsets, and apparently even airlines
only need TSO IF it is in their OPs manual for portable equipment not
hardwired to the aircraft. There is no FAA requirement to use TSO, and
it gives you about the same difference as between a KX-170B and a
KX175B..paperwork only. See http://sportys.com/headsetguide for
specific listing of TSO vs non-TSO models.
I could swear I saw a PR release from someone offering just what Deems
wanted, but Google turns up nothing.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: |
The TSO (technical Standard Order) is a just document that describes the
minimum parameters that must be met by the product that is manufactured for
aviation .... whatever the product may be. Bluetooth, being a relative new
communication medium may not have risen to the top of the FAA proposed TSO
list. I don't expect to see bluetooth headsets with a TSO due to the
firmware/software required to configure the bluetooth link.
RST engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) may be able to come
up with a solution or the resons why it's not feasible ..... I didn't ask.
Linn
On 12/6/2010 8:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
>
> No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
> come out with a nice high-end product that they
> want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
> be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
> them if they produced something that quit working
> when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
> lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
> crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
>
> Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
> dude, or small company, willing to take the
> risk blindly and come out with a product...but
> then again, to date there aren't many really
> true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
> either you want cheap, or you want real nice
> quality...which limits it to only a few headset
> choices.
>
> If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
> it probably won't ever happen.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
> On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
>> flying Part 135 or 121.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I
>>> know
>>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
>>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT
>>> receiver/transmitter
>>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those
>>> so
>>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
>>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>>>
>>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
>>>
>>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>>>
>>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
>>> commercial BT headset/mic?
>>>
>>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>>>
>>> Deems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Deems check this out! You could Velcro the box to your helmet and shorten the wires.
http://www.multispectral.com/pdf/MSSI161103b.pdf
-Chris
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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:05 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards
Good point about the battery, but BT devices don't require a lot of power, and it seems that the devices could run for quite some time on a battery and carrying backup batteries shouldn't be an issue, you need to do that for your Noise Canceling equip anyway. Years ago, I was flying with a Sigtronics intercom that was battery powered, when the batteries went out so did the headset (happened to me IFR over the Sierras). So there's an instance of a com'l (TSO'd?) device that was battery dependent.
It seems that the experimental market usually leads in innovation on these type of things, and I for one, would certainly like to have a 'cordless cockpit'.
Deems
On 12/6/2010 5:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: | Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you areflying Part 135 or 121. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote: | Quote: | | Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd. |
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AV8ORJWC
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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Starting with a Captain from Southwest, there is a boom mike (FlybyMike) which allows the Bose QC II to be modified and used by scores of Part 121 drivers. They are driven by a single AAA battery and are not TSOed to my knowledge. I bought two QCIIs for $250(at) and made the mod. These were so popular that Bose was redesigning the QC.
John Cox
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Mon 12/6/2010 7:21 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards
I did some more checking. Only DC, Bose and Sennheiser seem to get
approval on all their headsets. Lightspeed, Telex, Signtronics and
Clarity Aloft all offer non-TSO headsets, and apparently even airlines
only need TSO IF it is in their OPs manual for portable equipment not
hardwired to the aircraft. There is no FAA requirement to use TSO, and
it gives you about the same difference as between a KX-170B and a
KX175B..paperwork only. See http://sportys.com/headsetguide for
specific listing of TSO vs non-TSO models.
I could swear I saw a PR release from someone offering just what Deems
wanted, but Google turns up nothing.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
[quote]
The TSO (technical Standard Order) is a just document that describes the
minimum parameters that must be met by the product that is manufactured for
aviation .... whatever the product may be. Bluetooth, being a relative new
communication medium may not have risen to the top of the FAA proposed TSO
list. I don't expect to see bluetooth headsets with a TSO due to the
firmware/software required to configure the bluetooth link.
RST engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) may be able to come
up with a solution or the resons why it's not feasible ..... I didn't ask
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Deems Davis
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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Make that --UFLYMIKE ---- http://uflymike.com/index.html
a "FlyByMike" search yields some strange results. =-O
Deems
On 12/6/2010 8:50 PM, John Cox wrote: [quote] Starting with a Captain from Southwest, there is a boom mike (FlybyMike) which allows the Bose QC II to be modified and used by scores of Part 121 drivers. They are driven by a single AAA battery and are not TSOed to my knowledge. I bought two QCIIs for $250(at) and made the mod. These were so popular that Bose was redesigning the QC.
John Cox
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Mon 12/6/2010 7:21 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> (apilot2(at)gmail.com)
I did some more checking. Only DC, Bose and Sennheiser seem to get
approval on all their headsets. Lightspeed, Telex, Signtronics and
Clarity Aloft all offer non-TSO headsets, and apparently even airlines
only need TSO IF it is in their OPs manual for portable equipment not
hardwired to the aircraft. There is no FAA requirement to use TSO, and
it gives you about the same difference as between a KX-170B and a
KX175B..paperwork only. See http://sportys.com/headsetguide for
specific listing of TSO vs non-TSO models.
I could swear I saw a PR release from someone offering just what Deems
wanted, but Google turns up nothing.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> (pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net) wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> (pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net)
The TSO (technical Standard Order) is a just document that describes the
minimum parameters that must be met by the product that is manufactured for
aviation .... whatever the product may be. Bluetooth, being a relative new
communication medium may not have risen to the top of the FAA proposed TSO
list. I don't expect to see bluetooth headsets with a TSO due to the
firmware/software required to configure the bluetooth link.
RST engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) may be able to come
up with a solution or the resons why it's not feasible ..... I didn't ask.
Linn
On 12/6/2010 8:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> (Tim(at)myrv10.com)
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> No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
> come out with a nice high-end product that they
> want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
> be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
> them if they produced something that quit working
> when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
> lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
> crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
>
> Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
> dude, or small company, willing to take the
> risk blindly and come out with a product...but
> then again, to date there aren't many really
> true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
> either you want cheap, or you want real nice
> quality...which limits it to only a few headset
> choices.
>
> If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
> it probably won't ever happen.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
> On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2(at)gmail.com> (apilot2(at)gmail.com)
>>
>> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
>> flying Part 135 or 121.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com> (Tim(at)myrv10.com) wrote:
>>>
>>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis(at)cox.net> (deemsdavis(at)cox.net) wrote:
>>>
>>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I
>>> know
>>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
>>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT
>>> receiver/transmitter
>>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those
>>> so
>>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
>>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>>>
>>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
>>>
>>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>>>
>>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
>>> commercial BT headset/mic?
>>>
>>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>>>
>>> Deems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Kellym
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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Details, details....now if Vans would just get the scribe lines and
index hole marks molded within 1/2 inch of where they belong, especially
for the doors.
On 12/6/2010 9:37 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
| Quote: | Make that --UFLYMIKE ---- http://uflymike.com/index.html
a "FlyByMike" search yields some strange results.=-O
Deems
On 12/6/2010 8:50 PM, John Cox wrote:
> Starting with a Captain from Southwest, there is a boom mike
> (FlybyMike) which allows the Bose QC II to be modified and used by
> scores of Part 121 drivers. They are driven by a single AAA battery
> and are not TSOed to my knowledge. I bought two QCIIs for $250(at) and
> made the mod. These were so popular that Bose was redesigning the QC.
> John Cox
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mdaniell
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
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The sun's only coming up in Australia, so I'm probably the first, but have a look at this... it's not Bluetooth.
http://www.skysportsinnovations.com.au/
Martin
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Deems Davis
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Hmm, very interesting, I'd say that based on the price they are asking, that they're pretty proud of their product =-O
Deems
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