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teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: nose strut

this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen.

Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.

The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.  

The strut was covered with rust.  It took a long time to get it this clean.  

After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it.  I'll see how it looks in a few hours.

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flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: nose strut

I wouldn't waste any time on it.  I'd call it  unairworthy.

  

 Cliff

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flyadive(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: nose strut

Gary:



Was the strut cavity deformed because he might have over tighten the bolt.

Barry



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

 [quote]this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen.

 



Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.

The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.  

The strut was covered with rust.  It took a long time to get it this clean.  

 



After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it.  I'll see how it looks in a few hours.



   



              

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: nose strut

Now that's ridiculous.  You should be able to bill a line item for     recovery of part from hands of incompetent A&P.  Actually, I     really think the FAA should be advised.  This level of     professionalism could get somebody killed.

     IMHO, of course.

     Linn

     

     On 12/16/2010 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:     [quote]                       this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic           not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that           here) that I've ever seen.

         

         

         Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe           wrench.

         

         

         The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I           could.  

         

         

         The strut was covered with rust.  It took a long time to           get it this clean.  

         

         

         After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it,           and painted it.  I'll see how it looks in a few hours.

       

       

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garnerrice(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: nose strut

He must have not used a calibrated pipe wrench.  I have talked to mechanics that have admitted useing a large pipe wrench and heated the joint to almost a red glow. They are out there working on planes.

  

 Garner 

 

 

   Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:34:39 -0500

From: pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: nose strut



 Now that's ridiculous.  You should be able to bill a line item for recovery of part from hands of incompetent A&P.  Actually, I really think the FAA should be advised.  This level of professionalism could get somebody killed.

IMHO, of course.

Linn



On 12/16/2010 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:  [quote]  .ExternalClass DIV {;}     this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen.

 



 Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.

 



 The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.  

 



 The strut was covered with rust.  It took a long time to get it this clean.  

 



 After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it.  I'll see how it looks in a few hours.





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teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: nose strut

good catch, Barry.  I'll check.

From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com>

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 2:09:00 PM

Subject: Re: nose strut

 Gary:

Was the strut cavity deformed because he might have over tighten the bolt.

Barry

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen.

Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.

The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.  

The strut was covered with rust.  It took a long time to get it this clean.  

After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it.  I'll see how it looks in a few hours.

         [quote][b]

teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject: nose strut

Oh, oh. I hear a story coming.

In 1998, not long after I started working on planes full time, I got a plane that was based in Temecula, CA.  It had been maintained by the same mechanic/FBO for the past 15 years.  I forget all of the details, but I found 88 items that would ground the plane.  I found a total of 119 items that needed to be corrected.  At one point, standing in the cockpit (sans seats), and looked around.  I said, "OK, I know I have to be on candid camera."  The plane was a joke.  My mentor, Mike Grimes (look at the authors listed in AC 43-13B), told me to report the mechanic to the FAA.  I did.  I followed up on it and was told there really wasn't anything they could do.

The mechanic in  Columbia, CA needs to be closed down too.



From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 2:34:39 PM

Subject: Re: nose strut



                      Now that's ridiculous.  You should be able to bill a line item for     recovery of part from hands of incompetent A&P.  Actually, I     really think the FAA should be advised.  This level of     professionalism could get somebody killed.

     IMHO, of course.

     Linn

     

     On 12/16/2010 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:      	  Quote: 	
		                         this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic           not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that           here) that I've ever seen.

         

         

         Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe           wrench.

         

         

         The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I           could.  

         

         

         The strut was covered with rust.  It took a long time to           get it this clean.  

         

         

         After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it,           and painted it.  I'll see how it looks in a few hours.

       

       

     



	


   



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dmwhite(at)e3ra.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: nose strut

I have complained to the FAA before about shoddy work and have been told by two different FSDOs that there was nothing that they could do.  They don’t care about professionalism or quality, just their darn paperwork.  I do not have an A&P but will always check the work of a mechanic who is new to me who is working on my plane.  I’m the one who is putting my life on the line when it flies and a good mechanic doesn’t care if another set of eyes is looking on if you stay out of the way.  

     

Dean White (Tiger81166)  

Edmonds, WA 98026  

dmwhite(at)e3ra.com  

  

   

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ronmillmancpa(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: nose strut

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Well Gary,   Bill Mallory and I had a terrific time  removing

 the nosewheel strut on my Tiger a couple of years ago.

  

 But will Bill's many years of experience and my CPA muscle

 we got it loose.

  

 Apparently it had not been removed in a long, long time.

  

 Ron Millman AA5B   (at) KWHP L.A.

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teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: nose strut

About 20 years ago. I took an old nose strut to a shop that makes trailer hitches.  Using trailer receiver hitch box tubing, they built me a 7.5 foot lever arm which collapses (telescopes) down to just over 4 feet.  The end that attaches to the nose strut is the same size and diameter as the nose gear fork.  I can use the castled nut to hole it in place.  I had it powder coated in black wrinkle.  

Even with that, I had one plane that took two people to lift up one end enough to break the nose strut loose.  Then, we both pulled on it to get it to move the other way.  That strut took 3 days to remove.  

From: Ronald Millman CPA <ronmillmancpa(at)msn.com>

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 9:00:04 AM

Subject: Re: nose strut

     DIV { MARGIN:0px;}       Well Gary,   Bill Mallory and I had a terrific time  removing

 the nosewheel strut on my Tiger a couple of years ago.

 But will Bill's many years of experience and my CPA muscle

 we got it loose.

 Apparently it had not been removed in a long, long time.

 Ron Millman AA5B   (at) KWHP L.A.

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bhauskne(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: nose strut

Gee, that sounds good to me.   Nice solid construction, strong bond. No gear parts falling off like you have with a Cessna. What's the problem?  LOL 

Brian Hausknechtbhauskne(at)gmail.comwww.brianflys.netwww.brianflys.comSent from my BlackberryFrom:  Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com> 

Sender:  owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com 

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:53:16 -0800 (PST)

To: <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com>

ReplyTo:  teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut

About 20 years ago. I took an old nose strut to a shop that makes trailer hitches.  Using trailer receiver hitch box tubing, they built me a 7.5 foot lever arm which collapses (telescopes) down to just over 4 feet.  The end that attaches to the nose strut is the same size and diameter as the nose gear fork.  I can use the castled nut to hole it in place.  I had it powder coated in black wrinkle.  

Even with that, I had one plane that took two people to lift up one end enough to break the nose strut loose.  Then, we both pulled on it to get it to move the other way.  That strut took 3 days to remove.  

From: Ronald Millman CPA <ronmillmancpa(at)msn.com>

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 9:00:04 AM

Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut

     DIV { MARGIN:0px;}       Well Gary,   Bill Mallory and I had a terrific time  removing

 the nosewheel strut on my Tiger a couple of years ago.

 But will Bill's many years of experience and my CPA muscle

 we got it loose.

 Apparently it had not been removed in a long, long time.

 Ron Millman AA5B   (at) KWHP L.A.

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ronmillmancpa(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: nose strut

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  No problem.   All it takes is very occasional removal,  cleaning,

 replacement and sealing.    It's a really great  system.

 My Tiger is 33 years old, and flies like new. 141KTS.

 R

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ronmillmancpa(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: nose strut

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  All the more reason to remove them once in a while.

 And reinstall them properly sealed.

 Ron.

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