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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:14 am Post subject: Richard Pearse

Thank you for the info on this fellow.  The aileron position at the center of the wing tips is an interesting

concept.... part aileron, part spoiler.  If flutter could be avoided at dead center it might work quite well.



BTW, Edison got all the PR but Tesla was the genius.

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Dana

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:40 am Post subject: Richard Pearse

Many people had solved parts of the flight problem before the Wrights, but Wilbur and Orville were the first to put all the pieces together and realize that they needed to learn to _fly_ the airplane, rather than trying to make a stable machine that could be steered like a boat.  Just as important, once they flew successfully, they did it again and again... not unlike the current prizes offered for space flight which require multiple flights within a certain time, to eliminate disposable spacecraft.  Also they documented every step of the process, like the good scientists and engineers they were.



 Here in Connecticut, there's a small but enthusiastic group that claims Gustave Whitehead flew before the Wrights.  Certainly he was working on the problem, but he left no records and no proof of a successful experiment.



 -Dana



 P.S.  Bob, agree on Tesla vs. Edison.  How about Marconi?  Tesla invented and demonstrated radio before Marconi, too, but saw it only as a means for remote control of vessels (like a remote control torpedo), not for communications, so Marconi gets the credit.



 -Dana

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:39 am Post subject: Richard Pearse

Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:35:17 -0500

From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>

 	  Quote: 	

Many people had solved parts of the flight problem before the Wrights, but 

Wilbur and Orville were the first to put all the pieces together and realize 

that they needed to learn to _fly_ the airplane, rather than trying to make 

a stable machine that could be steered like a boat.  

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Dana,

I agree and much credit should go to Otto Lilienthal.  I swiped the 

following from a web site.

"German engineer, Otto Lilienthal, studied aerodynamics and worked to design 

a glider that would fly. Otto Lilienthal was the first person to design a 

glider that could fly a person and was able to fly long distances.

Otto Lilienthal was fascinated by the idea of flight. Based on his studies of 

birds and how they fly, he wrote a book on aerodynamics that was published 

in 1889 and this text was used by the Wright Brothers as the basis for their 

designs.

After more than 2500 flights, Otto Lilienthal was killed when he lost 

control because of a sudden strong wind and crashed into the ground."

It would seem that after 2,500 flights, Otto had put all the pieces 

together. Flying a glider is no different, control wise, than flying 

powered aircraft.

Have a good holiday!

Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:14 am Post subject: Richard Pearse

and realize that they needed to learn to _fly_ the airplane>.

  

 Hi Dana,

 Not strictly true. Several people had made numerous  glider flights, Lilienthal,(over 2000 flights I believe) Pilcher  etc.,.

 They could certainly control their flight pretty  well. Had they not been able to they would have crashed or killed themselves  very early in the game.

 What is amazing is that the Wrights ever got away  with such a cock a mamie control system as the one they used. Presumably they  used the same system for their preliminary glider flights but looking at it  dispassionately it seems unbelievable that a couple of guys as bright as they  obviously were didn`t invent the simple stick and rudder system which almost  every other pioneer used.

 They must have had a lot of faith in their ability  to control the plane to go flying with an experimental machine in those  winds.

 We would think twice about making a first flight in  a new plane now, even with a tested  design in 20mph winds.. They had a lot  of guts.

  

  

 cheers

  

 Pat

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: Richard Pearse

Pat you forget Icarus the greek! He was the first, wasn't it Leo Da Vinci who was there too among the giants, of course there was the first Rocketeer Eliyja in Biblical times. Like you said publicity is everything.

The facts remain, there was no aviation before the Wrights and there was aviation as we know it after the Wrights. We can prove for certain the Wrights flew, but we can't prove for certain the others did (excluding Lilintal, brother Mongolfiers, but that was not Aeroplane flying).



Its all academic brother, their accomplishments is what made Aviation what it is today; our mighty Kolb is a direct descendent from the Wrights and their spirit of innovation and invention. No question about that.

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Richard Pearse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity

  The "Collective Consciousness'  might help explain why ideas seem to pop up all over the world at about the same time. About 20 years ago Public TV once hosted a mini series hosted by an American Asian professor about this very concept.

" a governing dynamic that underlies the whole of human experience and historyâ€”social, emotional, psychological, and spiritual. "

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:11 am Post subject: Richard Pearse

Kolb only Please

---- Pat Ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> wrote: > They must have had a lot of faith in their ability to control the plane to go flying with an experimental machine in those winds.

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		   We would think twice about making a first flight in a new plane now, even with a tested  design in 20mph winds.. They had a lot of guts.

 

 

 cheers

 

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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: Richard Pearse

Pat you forget Icarus the greek! He was the first, wasn't it Leo Da Vinci 

who was there too among the giants, of course there was the first Rocketeer 

Eliyja in Biblical times. >>



Hi Ron,

you are obviously enjoying this exchange as much as I am.



Publicity is all. There is nothing like dying or being killed to get 

publicity and this is a prime example. Daedalus built the wings and flew 

succesfully. Icarus wouldn`t do what his Dad told him (plus ca change) and 

died. Who gets remembered? Icarus..

Leonardo would probably have made it if he had a power source. As would many 

others of course but he would have been way ahead.  Eliyja the rocketeer is 

a new one and sounds like like something from Velikovsky( Worlds in chaos) 

or Daniken(Chariots of the Gods)



Its all a lottery. Who invented the gramophone? Edison. No he didn`t . He 

invented the phonograph. Emile Berliner (who?) invented the gramophone..



I think we should go back to discussing the advantages of straight split 

pins against cirular ones or a comparison of different makes of oil before 

we are set upon by the big bad selfappointed guardian of the sanctity and 

purity of the Kolb List.



Snowing again. Temps down to 17C below last night. Unheard of in this part 

of the South of England since records began in 1911.. I can remember about 

1948 we had  birds falling out of the air, dying in flight, haven`t seen 

that this time.



Cheers



Pat

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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: Richard Pearse

OK..... Please Kolb ONLY!!!!!

  

 Rick Neilsen

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 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Pat Ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com (pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com (pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com)>

 

Pat you forget Icarus the greek! He was the first, wasn't it Leo Da Vinci who was there too among the giants, of course there was the first Rocketeer Eliyja in Biblical times. >>



Hi Ron,

you are obviously enjoying this exchange as much as I am.

 

Publicity is all. There is nothing like dying or being killed to get publicity and this is a prime example. Daedalus built the wings and flew succesfully. Icarus wouldn`t do what his Dad told him (plus ca change) and died. Who gets remembered? Icarus..

 Leonardo .......[b]

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