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skyriderekm

Joined: 28 Feb 2009
Posts: 10

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:54 am Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

I'm about to start my upgrade kit but one thing I'm interested in asking, has anyone finished the upgrade kit  with wing lockers in their wings?  I can see where the new extrusion is a bit wider than the original angle used.  Won't there be a noticeable gap between the locker hinges and the nose skin?



Just wondering and thanks for any responses.



Larry Hursh

Edwardsburg, MI



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DaveG601XL

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cincinnati, Oh

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Larry,



I have completed the upgrade on my 601XL that had been flying with wing lockers.  I have the hinge facing up, as my plans said, and there was absolutely no difference in fit, pre or post upgrade.  People who reversed their hinge around to make the flat side up have to do something else to account for the wider extrusion.  Maybe they can chime in here.



Good luck,

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David Gallagher
Cincinnati, OH area

Davcoberly(at)wmconnect.c
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:46 am Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

I set my hinge on top of the new angle which caused a slight bump in the 

skin at each end of the hinge but other than that works fine but mine was 

installed hinge pin up to start with. David Coberly

Tim Juhl

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Posts: 488
Location: "Thumb" of Michigan

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

I just received my upgrade kit and am also wondering about the wing lockers.  I originally installed them with the hinge up, but used shims under the spar angle and between the lid and the hinge so it wouldn't protrude upwards so much.



Am I correct that the mod calls for sliding the hinge between the wing skin and the new angle?   Anybody find another way that doesn't involve trimming the existing doors?



Tim

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floyd wilkes

Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 39
Location: spring branch, tx

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Larry,



I installed the hinge up and removed the shims that were originally used.

Fits fine.



Floyd Wilkes

601XL  Hopefully first flight after upgrade will be tomorrow!!



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Ron Lendon

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 685
Location: Clinton Twp., MI

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

I just flipped the hinge over, pin up and it works just fine.  Would have needed a 3"wide hinge to leave the pin down.  No trimming of the door was necessary and just re-used the same hinge with new rivet holes transferred from the nose skin.

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aprazer

Joined: 24 Nov 2006
Posts: 93
Location: Boise, Idaho

Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:38 am Post subject: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Jake Reyna addressed this on Zenith Aero. He completely eliminated the hinge 



Mack

601XL being modified

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CYROPA38

Joined: 02 Apr 2008
Posts: 5
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject: 601-650 Wing Lockers

Looking for some advice / opinions / comments, and suggestions.



Iâ€™m currently scratch building a 601XLb.  Iâ€™m at the stage where I need to make a decision whether to build the wing lockers or not.  



For those of you that already have wing lockers in your 601s, Iâ€™m curious as to whether they are working as planned.  Are they useful? Do you use them on regular bases? Are they acquired awkward to get into? Are there any issues with items inside getting wet?  Any In-flight problems? Etc.  



Thanks in advance.

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Dwayne W. Price

davcoberly(at)wmconnect.c
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Dwayne,

They were somewhat of a pain to install but I'm glad I did but you need 

to add extra fasteners around the lid and extra L angles under the lid 

for support to keep the lid from raising during flight also things will 

get wet so you will have to put things you don't want to get wet in 

water tight storage such as  zip lock bags.

David Coberly 601XLB / Corvair

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CYROPA38

Joined: 02 Apr 2008
Posts: 5
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

David, thanks for the advice.  Our EAA 245 president gave me very similar advice this morning.  He has an older 601HD, but the same issues were raised, wet, extra L angles and fasteners.  



I wish there was a better or different way to fasten them closed.  Perhaps something that doesnâ€™t require a screwdriver.  I guess the other option is to not use them frequently, or carry items you seldom need access to, i.e. survival gearâ€¦.I have some thinking to do.

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Dwayne W. Price

jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:41 pm Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

A dime works well to open the Dzus fasteners.

Jeff D



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CYROPA38

Joined: 02 Apr 2008
Posts: 5
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Thanks Jeff. Is anybody using anything other than Dzus fasteners?

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Dwayne W. Price

carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Yup.

I used these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD30x62UwU

Carlos

CH601-HD, plans



On 19 December 2010 20:09, CYROPA38 <pricedl(at)rogers.com (pricedl(at)rogers.com)> wrote:

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 Thanks Jeff.  Is anybody using anything other than Dzus fasteners?

 

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don.honabach(at)pcperfect
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Those are cool! 

 

Do you have a source for the latches?

 

Don

 

 

From: owner-zenith601-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:14 PM

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

 

Yup.

I used these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD30x62UwU

Carlos

CH601-HD, plans

On 19 December 2010 20:09, CYROPA38 <pricedl(at)rogers.com (pricedl(at)rogers.com)> wrote:

--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "CYROPA38" <pricedl(at)rogers.com (pricedl(at)rogers.com)>



Thanks Jeff.  Is anybody using anything other than Dzus fasteners?



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Dwayne W. Price



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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

They are cool indeed, but obscenely expensive.

AS&S has them in their catalog for $121 

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/latches.html

The trick is to find "new surplus", which I did manage to do. 

  Airparts Inc has them for $20, but they are for the wrong material thickness.

You need to learn the anatomy of these gadgets: they must fit the material you are working with; also the version that has a travel limited to 90 deg. is better, or it will hit the material around it and make a dent.

  http://www.airpartsinc.com/products/flush-latch-hartwell.htm

There is also a version with a round button, which is much easier to install, but I never found them for a reasonable price.

  This site has them for $48. Five or 7 per door... do the math...

https://www.circletracksupply.com/product.php?productid=2026



I believe I posted some information on the list a while back.

  If you can't find it, send me a note and I'll gather the info for you (I'm about to crash, it's almost midnight here in Montreal).



Cheers



Carlos

 



On 19 December 2010 22:38, Don Honabach <don.honabach(at)pcperfect.com (don.honabach(at)pcperfect.com)> wrote:

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Those are cool!   

 

Do you have a source for the latches?

   

Don

 

  



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don.honabach(at)pcperfect
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Thanks Carlos!

Don

 

From: owner-zenith601-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:02 PM

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

 

They are cool indeed, but obscenely expensive.

AS&S has them in their catalog for $121 

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/latches.html

The trick is to find "new surplus", which I did manage to do. 

Airparts Inc has them for $20, but they are for the wrong material thickness.

You need to learn the anatomy of these gadgets: they must fit the material you are working with; also the version that has a travel limited to 90 deg. is better, or it will hit the material around it and make a dent.

http://www.airpartsinc.com/products/flush-latch-hartwell.htm

There is also a version with a round button, which is much easier to install, but I never found them for a reasonable price.

This site has them for $48. Five or 7 per door... do the math..

https://www.circletracksupply.com/product.php?productid=2026



I believe I posted some information on the list a while back.

If you can't find it, send me a note and I'll gather the info for you (I'm about to crash, it's almost midnight here in Montreal).



Cheers



Carlos

 

On 19 December 2010 22:38, Don Honabach <don.honabach(at)pcperfect.com (don.honabach(at)pcperfect.com)> wrote:

Those are cool! 

 

Do you have a source for the latches?

 

Don

 



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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers

Try Wicks.  $12 each.  

Jeff D  

         

  

From: owner-zenith601-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa

 Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:02 AM

 To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers  

  

   

They are cool indeed, but obscenely expensive.

 AS&S has them in their catalog for $121 

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/latches.html

 The trick is to find "new surplus", which I did manage to do. 

 Airparts Inc has them for $20, but they are for the wrong material thickness.

 You need to learn the anatomy of these gadgets: they must fit the material you are working with; also the version that has a travel limited to 90 deg. is better, or it will hit the material around it and make a dent.

 http://www.airpartsinc.com/products/flush-latch-hartwell.htm

 There is also a version with a round button, which is much easier to install, but I never found them for a reasonable price.

 This site has them for $48. Five or 7 per door... do the math... do not archive

 https://www.circletracksupply.com/product.php?productid=2026

 

 I believe I posted some information on the list a while back.

 If you can't find it, send me a note and I'll gather the info for you (I'm about to crash, it's almost midnight here in Montreal).

 

 Cheers

 

 Carlos

      

On 19 December 2010 22:38, Don Honabach <don.honabach(at)pcperfect.com (don.honabach(at)pcperfect.com)> wrote:      

Those are cool!   

   

Do you have a source for the latches?  

   

Don  

   

  

  

  

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