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antdea2000(at)yahoo.com.a
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: importing

I am new to this list and am thinking of importing a yak from russia to Australia. If anybody else is interested we could bring back a couple and cost share the freight etc. If interested send me an email on antdea2000(at)yahoo.com.au. (antdea2000(at)yahoo.com.au)  Has 

  anyone else imported aircraft into Australia?

  Thanks, Ant.



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hkgibby(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: importing

Anthony, Start with the following sites for info and pics with Aussie and Kiwi registrations:  www.lampa.com.au , www.thinkingskills.co.za , [url=http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?offset=0&where=search|-2|-2|-2|-2|CJ-6|15|1|||||||-2|-2|-2|-2|||15|1||-2|-2||||all|2||||||-2|||1]http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?offset=0&where=search|-2|-2|-2|-2|CJ-6|15|1|||||||-2|-2|-2|-2|||15|1||-2|-2||||all|2||||||-2|||1[/url] . Good luck!



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		    I am new to this list and am thinking of importing a yak from russia to Australia. If anybody else is interested we could bring back a couple and cost share the freight etc. If interested send me an email on antdea2000(at)yahoo.com.au. (antdea2000(at)yahoo.com.au)  Has 

  anyone else imported aircraft into Australia?

  Thanks, Ant.

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gus.fraser(at)gs.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:39 am Post subject: importing

I am just sending my old Yak 52 from the USA to  Aus. Be aware that Aus has very special import restrictions the whole aircraft  needs to be steam cleaned and the container and any wood used needs to be  fumigated. Apparently the customs guys throw a cog if they think there might be  any little fifth columnist bug-skis in the container or aircraft. Not sure  how you are going to manage that in Russia from Aus.

  

 Gus



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		           From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Anthony    Hudacek

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:24 PM

To:    yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject:    importing

   

   I am new to this list and am thinking of importing a    yak from russia to Australia. If anybody else is interested we could bring    back a couple and cost share the freight etc. If interested send me an email    on antdea2000(at)yahoo.com.au. (antdea2000(at)yahoo.com.au)     Has 

   anyone else imported aircraft into    Australia?

   Thanks, Ant.

   

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rvfltd(at)televar.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: importing

Gus,  it's the same way coming from China, All products with wood must be fumigated  and a original of the fumigation certificate must be with the import  docs.   These are some real nasty bugs I guess.

  

 

Always Yakin,

Doug Sapp  [quote]   --

jill(at)m-14p.com
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: Importing

Group,



A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and 

fumigation is:  http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/



I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is 

good enough.  I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on 

each piece.  If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back 

from whence it came!



The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia.  They 

pulled one of our container's aside.  The aircraft was inspected by 2 

government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into 

the tail to look for seeds.  She did find a couple of dandelion seeds 

on the intake at the carburetor.  If they offload your aircraft there, 

you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs 

of any damage.



Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!



Jill

schwartzcompany(at)worldn
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: Importing

I am aware of this new issue regarding wood fumigation also.   My last 

shipments just squeezed by and I was told that next time has to comply. I'm 

not sure if they have treated wood in eastern Europe or exactly how to 

overcome this. Anyone have suggestions??



Robert E. Schwartz



From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill(at)m-14p.com>

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: Importing

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 Group,



 A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and 

 fumigation is:  http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/



 I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is 

 good enough.  I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on each 

 piece.  If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back from 

 whence it came!



 The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia.  They 

 pulled one of our container's aside.  The aircraft was inspected by 2 

 government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into 

 the tail to look for seeds.  She did find a couple of dandelion seeds on 

 the intake at the carburetor.  If they offload your aircraft there, you 

 are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs of any 

 damage.



 Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!



 Jill





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gus.fraser(at)gs.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: Importing

Sounds to me like there is a market in supplying wood to Lith & Rus ?



Interesting question, and I warn you this is likely to make your head

hurt.



Scenario

Pilot A, in Australia, wants to send an aircraft to pilot B in America.

To do so Pilot A must only use USDA wood. To get it he must order it

from the US. When the wood arrives to make the shipping jigs Australian

customs impound it as it is not the required standard for import



Can you see where this is going.....



I am now going to have a little sit down.



Gus 



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rvfltd(at)televar.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Importing

Even worse is when they pull your load aside for "intensive inspection".

The container, or boxes if your load is LCL must be taken to a bonded

warehouse (yes, you get to pay for this move also). This inspection may or

may not include X-ray, a cost which you also must pay.  If they think you

have contraband in your aircraft (key word here is THINK) they have the

right to use destructive methods to look where ever they want to.  This

includes sawing and cutting.  These folks operate with 100% immunity to any

responsibility for damage they may cause during the inspection.  One

inspector in the Port of Seattle was gently trying to tell me to get out of

his face by informing me that one time in the past he felt that there might

be contraband inside a radial engine, he shrugged his shoulders and said

"but after drilling several holes I realized there was nothing there and

released the cargo".  To which I told him that I had donuts and hot coffee

in my car!



I just received two new (yes, new old stock)M14B engines in from Argentina,

both in wood boxes and no fumigation cert was required.  However coming out

of China all wood must be fumigated and the cert supplied with the import

docs.  No stamp is required to my knowledge.



Always Yakin,

Doug Sapp



--

schwartzcompany(at)worldn
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: Importing

I don't think that finished storage boxes require fumigation. but all bare 

lumber does

Robert E. Schwartz

From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd(at)televar.com>

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:20 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Importing

[quote] 

 Even worse is when they pull your load aside for "intensive inspection".

 The container, or boxes if your load is LCL must be taken to a bonded

 warehouse (yes, you get to pay for this move also). This inspection may or

 may not include X-ray, a cost which you also must pay.  If they think you

 have contraband in your aircraft (key word here is THINK) they have the

 right to use destructive methods to look where ever they want to.  This

 includes sawing and cutting.  These folks operate with 100% immunity to 

 any

 responsibility for damage they may cause during the inspection.  One

 inspector in the Port of Seattle was gently trying to tell me to get out 

 of

 his face by informing me that one time in the past he felt that there 

 might

 be contraband inside a radial engine, he shrugged his shoulders and said

 "but after drilling several holes I realized there was nothing there and

 released the cargo".  To which I told him that I had donuts and hot coffee

 in my car!

 I just received two new (yes, new old stock)M14B engines in from 

 Argentina,

 both in wood boxes and no fumigation cert was required.  However coming 

 out

 of China all wood must be fumigated and the cert supplied with the import

 docs.  No stamp is required to my knowledge.

 Always Yakin,

 Doug Sapp

 --

JBernier(at)dart.org
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: Importing

Doug

I take it that we are talking about the containers, but what of the wood inside the CJ?

I have wood under the canopy runners. 1965 model.

Jim



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		  >> rvfltd(at)televar.com 05/02/06 12:20 PM >>>

	




Even worse is when they pull your load aside for "intensive inspection".

The container, or boxes if your load is LCL must be taken to a bonded

warehouse (yes, you get to pay for this move also). This inspection may or

may not include X-ray, a cost which you also must pay.  If they think you

have contraband in your aircraft (key word here is THINK) they have the

right to use destructive methods to look where ever they want to.  This

includes sawing and cutting.  These folks operate with 100% immunity to any

responsibility for damage they may cause during the inspection.  One

inspector in the Port of Seattle was gently trying to tell me to get out of

his face by informing me that one time in the past he felt that there might

be contraband inside a radial engine, he shrugged his shoulders and said

"but after drilling several holes I realized there was nothing there and

released the cargo".  To which I told him that I had donuts and hot coffee

in my car!



I just received two new (yes, new old stock)M14B engines in from Argentina,

both in wood boxes and no fumigation cert was required.  However coming out

of China all wood must be fumigated and the cert supplied with the import

docs.  No stamp is required to my knowledge.



Always Yakin,

Doug Sapp



--

rvfltd(at)televar.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Importing

All CJ's have wood under the rails.  I'm certainly not going to call it to

their attention!!



Always Yakin,

Doug Sapp



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gus.fraser(at)gs.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Importing

Better keep quiet about those Yak props and MT props as well....



Gus 



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ldakos(at)bigpond.net.au
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Importing

Make sure there is no bark at all on the wood or it might not be allowed 

into the country, if allowed in it will be quarantined and might have to be 

unpacked at the port and wood burned not cheap, I have seen this happen with 

new wood  from USA France Canada Brazil & Germany just finished working on a 

130 million upgrade and customs were very much on the ball with inspections 

which ment a very big bonfire at the end.



Lou

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f4ffm2(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Importing

This wood packaging material situation is in response to the Interim Commission on 

Phytosanitary Measures of the International Plant Protection Convention 

on March 15, 2002 requirememts to prevent spread of noxious insects.  It primarily involves trating wood used in shipping to one of two methods of sterilization; a. heat to +56 deg. C for 30 min or, b. 16 hour exposure to a specific concentration of methyl bromide.



Specific details of this are available at the following web page:



http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/wpm/docket02-032-03.htm?dbname=2004_register&docid=fr16se04-1

In Russia, there are, in most cities, government offices and commercial firms that provide fumigation services and/or kilns to meet the requirements....and certification (by stamping, or otherwise marking the individual items of WPM) that these procedures have been accomplished.  This is the case in China as well.



I have some other specific material in reference to this subject in the form of .pdf's that I will email to any one interested.  You'll have to wait until after ARS however as we're out'a here tomorrow with 8 airplanes heading for Porterville.



Roger Baker



On May 2, 2006, at 9:42 AM, ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote:

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		  --> Yak-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany(at)worldnet.att.net>

I am aware of this new issue regarding wood fumigation also.   My last shipments just squeezed by and I was told that next time has to comply. I'm not sure if they have treated wood in eastern Europe or exactly how to overcome this. Anyone have suggestions??

Robert E. Schwartz





From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill(at)m-14p.com>

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: Importing





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		  --> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill(at)m-14p.com>

Group,

A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and fumigation is:  http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/

I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is good enough.  I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on each piece.  If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back from whence it came!

The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia.  They pulled one of our container's aside.  The aircraft was inspected by 2 government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into the tail to look for seeds.  She did find a couple of dandelion seeds on the intake at the carburetor.  If they offload your aircraft there, you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs of any damage.

Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!

Jill

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List

http://wiki.matronics.com

 	




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