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Peter Barthold

Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 25
Location: Germany

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

Hello listers,



working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that locker. In my imagination the only baggage possible in these lockers are pullovers and jackets without zippers. When flying through some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all or travel bag would make nasty dents when not properly secured. 

Am I overcautious?

Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?

Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?

I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was not successful. Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance did not give a clue.

The only  thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry McFarlands page and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor in his lockers. However, I can`t see any details.



So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple 



Greetings from Germany



Peter Barthold



HDS TD VW conv.

Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress

www.petersprojekt42.de

jim(at)pellien.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

We have no problems with the wing lockers regarding flimsiness on our SLSA 601XL from CZAW .  However, we did have a problem, partially solved, with water infiltration.  We added sealing strips from Home Depot to the 4 sides of each door.  Not yet waterproof, but much better.  



Any ideas for a better solution to water infiltration into the wing lockers?

Jim



Jim Pellien

Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes

The Mid-Atlantic Center of SportsPlanes.com



www.MASPL.com

703-313-4818

Jim(at)Pellien.com



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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

Hello Peter,



One day I saw my wife heaving down on the camps stove and cookware, not

realising what she was pushing against....After we removed some stuff

there was no damage whatsover and we have done a lot of camping with

this airplane in the last 400 hours.



I do not have any carpet or any extra protection



Frank

HDS 395 hours 



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pchapman(at)ionsys.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

At 09:09 03-05-06, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. 

Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear 

that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that 

locker. In my imagination the only baggage


	


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		  Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?


	


I tried lining at least the bottom of the wing lockers with Plasticor -- 

The internally corrugated plastic sheets that can be found at art supply 

stores or sign companies. (Or on any lawn after a election, at least here 

in Canada or the USA!)



I don't know if it is the ideal solution, but it is very light, has some 

thickness to absorb shock, and won't rot when water seeps in while the 

aircraft is stored outside. Seems to work.

Peter Chapman

Toronto, Canada           601 HDS  /  912  /  C-GZDC

nfivesl(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

Your 601XL wings have .025" skins top and bottom

unless CZAW didn't follow the plans.  Not a proper

comparison.  



Scott Laughlin

www.cooknwithgas.com



--- jim <jim(at)pellien.com> wrote:



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 <jim(at)pellien.com>

 

 We have no problems with the wing lockers regarding

 flimsiness on our SLSA 601XL from CZAW .


	


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bbartlett5(at)satx.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

I use plastic containers with lids from the Container Store of the

proper size to fit my wing lockers. That way I don't have to worry about

moisture or things sliding through the wing rib lightening holes. Also,

I can remove the empty containers, easily pack, and replace.



Bill Bartlett 

601 XL, N140BB, and 7.8 hours on Jabiru engine



Do not archive

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planejim(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

Peter,



I have over 500 hrs on 601HD with wing lockers. Carry oil containers, 

windshield cleaner etc. in there all the time. When I go to events I carry 

stools etc. I have on occasion carried a soft side bag with stuff in it with 

no problem. If you're really worried, put a thin sheet of high density foam 

in there. That should probably work. Keep it simple and go fly!



Jim Hoak



do not archive

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jim(at)pellien.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

Bill,



Thanks for the idea about using plastic containers.  I wish I would have thought of that one.  



However there is still a problem.  Prolonged wetness in the winglockers will encourage corrosion.  I'd still like it to be absolutely dry in there.



Jim



Jim Pellien

Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes

The Mid-Atlantic Center of SportsPlanes.com



www.MASPL.com

703-313-4818

Jim(at)Pellien.com



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leogates(at)allvantage.co
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

I use Plasticor like Peter Chapman.  It was suggested by Mike 

Fothergill.  Works great.



Leo Gates

N601Z, CH601HDS TDO



Peter Barthold wrote:



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Hello listers,



working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that locker. In my imagination the only baggage possible in these lockers are pullovers and jackets without zippers. When flying through some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all or travel bag would make nasty dents when not properly secured.

larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

Peter,

I had the same worries even with the .025 thick skins.  I did rivet a 

pair of standard angles to each side of the luggage area

to the ribs. Then I bent channels of .025 approx 3-inches wide with 

3/8ths flanges.  The ends were trimmed to overhang the

the angle flange and leave a quarter inch of clearance beneath.  I used 

tinnerman j-nuts on the angle and screws to hold the channels

in place.  This works well, but still needs a thin rubber mat glued each 

corner or a carpet cut to fit bottom and sides with velcro.

I'm in the process of disassembling the plane and bringing parts home, 

so insulation, and the like will be added after the paint process is 

finished. I hope this helps. See links,

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/baggagearea/full/luggageopenrear2.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/baggagearea/full/luggageopenrear.gif



Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com



Peter Barthold wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



Hello listers,



working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that locker. In my imagination the only baggage possible in these lockers are pullovers and jackets without zippers. When flying through some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all or travel bag would make nasty dents when not properly secured. 

Am I overcautious?

Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?

Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?

I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was not successful. Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance did not give a clue.

The only  thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry McFarlands page and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor in his lockers. However, I can`t see any details.



So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple [Wink]



Greetings from Germany



Peter Barthold



HDS TD VW conv.

Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress

www.petersprojekt42.de

daveaustin2(at)sprint.ca
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

I used a 1/8 marine ply floor.

Dave Austin  601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII

rdewees(at)mindspring.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: HDS Wing Locker problem

Hi Peter,

I am not sure what is available in Germany but here we have a sort of 

plastic corrugated signboard available in hardware stores and salvaged 

from discared yard signs that is very light and strong.  It is 

constructed exactly like cardboard-- flat surface of material with 

sandwitch or corrugated plasticised material in between top and bottom 

sheet.  It weighs very little for it's strength, is water proof and one 

or two layers of it on the bottom of the locker should prevent anything 

of moderate weight from creasing or punching the bottom skin.  I think 

the material is called Corform, but am not sure.  I bet another lister 

can name it for you. 

  Good luck and great to hear from a 601HDS in Germany.

Ron



do not archive



Peter Barthold wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



Hello listers,



working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that locker. In my imagination the only baggage possible in these lockers are pullovers and jackets without zippers. When flying through some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all or travel bag would make nasty dents when not properly secured. 

Am I overcautious?

Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?

Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?

I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was not successful. Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance did not give a clue.

The only  thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry McFarlands page and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor in his lockers. However, I can`t see any details.



So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple [Wink]



Greetings from Germany



Peter Barthold



HDS TD VW conv.

Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress

www.petersprojekt42.de

Peter Barthold

Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 25
Location: Germany

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: Re: HDS Wing Locker problem

Hello Listers,



Thank you all for sharing your wisdom with me! It really helped me out. I think I'll opt for the Corform plastic cardboard stuff to distribute loads and some lid boxes for the smaller items.



It is amazing: you stand all alone  in your remote little workshop, scratching your head about a problem no one in the vincinity of 100 miles would even understand. So you switch on your PC and soon a whole bunch of nice guys who've been-there-done-that peek over your shoulder and give you some hints. As I said: amazing!

I will try to give my 2Cents back in the future. And Thanks Mat for this forum, the e-mail list was already brilliant but this here makes it even more fast and easy.

Greetings from Germany 



Peter Barthold 



HDS TD VW conv. 

Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress 

www.petersprojekt42.de

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