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Tom Biggs

Joined: 01 Oct 2010
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: Bend HS skin

Well my empennage arrived on Friday. When I did the inventory on Friday night, I found where they had put a fork lift fork through the top of the box and bent the HS skins. I am not sure if it is repairable or not. Dealing with ABS freight is probably going to be maddening.

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tsts4

Joined: 06 Aug 2007
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Location: Tampa, FL

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Bend HS skin

Tom,

I had the same thing happen with my wing skins, but on a corner.  Anyway the good news is I filed for reimbursement for 3 new skins via the ABF online claims submission page on their website.  Had a check for my claimed amount within a week.

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:16 pm Post subject: Bend HS skin

Hey Tom,



It hard for me to tell what part of the HS that is and how much damage (in terms of size) we're dealing with.



Do you have a photo that shows where it is located something to show us the scale?  Like a ruler or a quarter?

 

Phil





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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:42 pm Post subject: Bend HS skin

You'll probably get a lot of opinions on this.  Mine is that you shouldn't hesitate and demand a perfect skin.  Putting unnecessary holes, dents, and scratches in skins is our job, not the freight company's.

   

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Well my empennage arrived on Friday. When I did the inventory on Friday night, I found where they had put a fork lift fork through the top of the box and bent the HS skins. I am not sure if it is repairable or not. Dealing with ABS freight is probably going to be maddening.

 



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Ron B.

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Bend HS skin

Had the same problem with our HS skins, caused by a fork also. Good news ABF took responsibility. I'm glad I replaced them and as said on here before , it's the only way to get freight companies to treat our goods with care.

Ron

sfarner

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:05 pm Post subject: Bend HS skin

I am a new builder and had the same thing a couple of months ago.  Both HS skins, the VS skin and aileron's were all bent from what looked like a forklift piercing the corner of the crate.  I noted on the bill of lading that the crate was damaged, re-ordered the parts from Van's after inventorying, and had no trouble with ABF.  ABF has a simple form to fill out, and my check arrived within a few weeks.



I was never asked for photos, but I would recommend photographing both the crate and the damaged parts.  I also called the local ABF depot, they directed me to the right people.  Van's also said they would assist if I had any trouble.  I don't know how common this is, but it evidently does happen.



The good news is that you don't need the HS skins right away.



Steve Farner



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Well my empennage arrived on Friday. When I did the inventory on Friday night, I found where they had put a fork lift fork through the top of the box and bent the HS skins. I am not sure if it is repairable or not. Dealing with ABS freight is probably going to be maddening.





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Strasnuts

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Bend HS skin

Had this happen to my wing outer leading edge skins. Fedex paid for it no problem. Definitely have them replace it.

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: Bend HS skin

I'm shocked....so many people have the same story as me....forklift thru the crate.  In my case I lived with the slight damage, fixed with body filler....but man, how can this happen to so many people!?

Tim



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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: Bend HS skin

Not hard to understand when you watch a typical freight hauler handle  

freight....



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 I'm shocked....so many people have the same story as me....forklift  

 thru the crate.  In my case I lived with the slight damage, fixed  

 with body filler....but man, how can this happen to so many people!?

 Tim



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rv10flyer

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Bend HS skin

I used Bax Global for the kits and there wasn't a scratch on any box. I was very surprised seeing how my hvac units are handled by other companies. Every 5th unit is damaged.

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: Bend HS skin

This is something that has been concerning me with regards to shipping my engine.  That would make me sick to see a fork lift wound.

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: Bend HS skin

The 10 kits and engine came FEDEX without problem;  the only problem on the Glastar was a scratched wing skin which was replaced by  the manufacturer and was due to their packing not the shipper.

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tsts4

Joined: 06 Aug 2007
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Location: Tampa, FL

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Bend HS skin

I went with ABF on the tail and wings and was 1 for 2:  the tail crate shipped without a scratch, but as I posted above, wasn't as lucky with the wing crate that held the skins.



I went with Partain on the fuse without incident and he was cheaper than ABF's quote.

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: Bend HS skin

The engine is strapped to a pallet. It is possible for a moron to punch the outside of the box with a fork from a fork lift, but the opporator is aiming for a different area. 

  

 The box is strapped down well and it will not move independantly from the pallet, so the fork can't get between the box and the pallet. 

  

 It would need a pretty direct hit to get through the box, and the expanded foam. It is possible and you would just get another engine.

  

 Plenty of other stuff to worry about.

  

 

 

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Bend HS skin

I think the issue is that the box the empennage came in is NOT on a pallet. The forklift operator has to get under the box with the forks. To keep from skidding the box, he has to have some momentum and that momentum leads to smashing through the sides.

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject: Bend HS skin

All my freight was shipped Fedex freight. In each and every case the crates 

sat on pallets, the driver moved them on the pallets and even offered to 

leave them (great firewood) no extra charge. In one case we moved the crate 

off the pallet and the driver took it with him. My understanding is the 

pallets came from Oregon, AKA they were placed on a pallet when picked up 

and left on that pallet until delivered.

I had no issues at all with my deliveries.

Pascal



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Lenny Iszak

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Bend HS skin

My tail kit was shipped with ABF. Im Huge red letters it said HIGH DOLLAR AIRCRAFT PARTS on it, and an arrow showing which way should be up.

Lo and behold, when the guy opened the back of the truck, the arrow was pointing down...

No damage though. The rest came with Partain, and some with Fedex. Didn't want to risk ABF anymore.



Lenny

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