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d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: Zenith History

One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading this 

group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their history, 

but refuses to talk about or support it.



This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models 

evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors of 

the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this is 

the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking away 

from all those 601's.



Any idea why they won't support their progeny?

p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: Zenith History

Perhaps the most important part of the Zodiac/Zenith history is the 

Heintz family structure and the way the different members of this 

family get involved with the aircraft.



There are 5 different men involved in this business - all of them 

members of the Heintz family.  Chris is the one who actually designs 

airplanes.  He is now retired or nearly so.  His only relationship to 

the Zenith Aircraft Company in Mexico, MO (as far as I can tell) is 

that he is the father of the two principals there - Sebastian Heintz 

the president, and Nicholas Heintz the technical wizard and factory manager.



I think the two Heintz boys do a reasonably good job supporting ZAC 

and its products - especially Nick.  I don't know what their 

involvement might have been in earlier models, but it is unreasonable 

to expect them to do anything with the models unrelated to ZAC.



There are two other brothers of Sebastian and Nick involved in the 

airplane business in the USA.  Michael Heintz is working to set up 

some sort of operation on the West coast, and there is another (whose 

name I don't know) involved in AMD in Georgia.



Perhaps the doubt expressed by the original lister in this thread is 

related to misunderstanding that there is a single Heintz and single 

company that is responsible for all the Heintz designs.  There is not.



Paul

XL wings

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 	  Quote: 	
		  One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading this

group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their history,

but refuses to talk about or support it.



This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models

evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors of

the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this is

the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking away

from all those 601's.



Any idea why they won't support their progeny?

larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: Zenith History

Dave,

It's likely Zenith would support the paper and drawing when asked, but I 

doubt that they

would continue to make parts for models that are two or more generations 

out of production.  It's

just not feasible for a small company to do this.  If special tooling 

were kept, they might be inclined

to do a set of ribs, but beyond that you'd be in a plans building mode 

with the older Zenith aircraft.

I expect the 601HD and HDS models to be set aside when the XL is 

replaced with the next great

thing.



Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com

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Dave wrote:



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One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading this 

group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their history, 

but refuses to talk about or support it.



This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models 

evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors of 

the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this is 

the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking away 

from all those 601's.



Any idea why they won't support their progeny?

frank.hinde(at)hp.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: Zenith History

Basically it really does not matter whether they support old airplanes

or not. All of the parts are easily fabricated and if you have a

complete set of drawings then basically you don't need to care.



Frank 



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This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models

evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors

of the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of

this is the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just

walking away from all those 601's.



Any idea why they won't support their progeny?

kobo1(at)cyberbeach.net
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Zenith History

I certainly have no problem with Zenair Canada supporting my CH200. I've 

even been to their Midland office and have found some leftover parts. They 

are producing the newer planes but still have all the specs to help with 

parts and support. I can understand they can't keep inventory on all old 

models, and certainly most of the CH200 and 300's were probably scratch 

built anyway.  I've had nothing but good support and good attitude when 

discussing my older model.



Michael Kolbasovsky

GCUD

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d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Zenith History

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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Zenith History

Want Zenith History, go to builders dinner at Oshkosh ( did I just let

something slip?). You are also confusing Zenith Aircraft with Zenair

Designs. Zenair is the support for the 200 and 300 series and all

previous versions before Zenith Aircraft was born. The 640 is also a

Zenair manufactured model kit and is sold by Zenith as it is sold by

Can-Zac Aviation. In Canada we run ads for the 640 in every COPA

magazine. So lets be realistic on this list there is several hundred 601

and 701 builders many 801 builders and less then 10 640 builders.

Probably even less 200 and 300 builders. It is not a matter of support,

Can-Zac and Zenair are here for anyone who needs things for the old

series of planes and Zenith stand behind all Zenair designed kits they

have produced. So in your last line " Any idea why they won't support

their progeny?" this is a false statement as Zenith Aircraft never built

200's 300's or even 640's or CH2000's. Zenair still supports them all.



Hope this helps.



Mark Townsend

Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.

president(at)can-zacaviation.com

www.can-zacaviation.com 

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d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: Zenith History

It does help Mark thanks. At the same time I sent for the info kit I came 

across a ch-200 for sale in Ontario. I sent an email to Zenith asking 

questions about older designs and got a rubber stamp type reply referring me 

to a dead email. Subsequent attempts resulted in the same. I did not know 

that Zenair and Zenith were different outfits, so the appearance was what I 

stated.  I worried that if this was the fate of older designs, what would 

befall the owner of a 601 when the factory decided to go with only the XL or 

whatever was hot at the time.

zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
Guest

Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Zenith History

Hey Dave, not a problem, it takes awhile to get to know the divisions of

the Heintz setup, and many people had the same question but may have

been afraid to ask. Now let me add Can-Zac Aviation, AMD , and

Flightcrafters into the mix and along with Zenair, Zenith and Quality

Sport Planes and confuse the heck out of everyone! But in the end it all

boils down to Chris Heintz designs and the best builders support

possible from many different sources. U.S. builders have Zenith

Aircraft, Canadians have Can-Zac, legacy is Can-Zac and Zenair. Builders

assistance is Flightcrafters, Quality Sport Planes and Can-Zac Aviation.

Europe has whoever is there Zenair licensed Distributor and Chris Heintz

when available. But as Chris is semi-retired now they really only have

there local Zenair Distributor.



Mark Townsend

Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.

president(at)can-zacaviation.com

www.can-zacaviation.com 



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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Zenith History

In this matter,  I think (my point of view only)  that this is just a "I supose" thing...   

   

  I am sure that if one owner of any of the older models needs some advise (about repair and or mantainance) on his airplane.  He needs only to ask them (letter, email or phone call to ZAC) and he will recieve an answer or advise.

   

  Same with the newer models. Now that we are building the XL,  now that the 701 is finished,  the construccion tecnic is very similar with the 701.

      

  I think that Mr Heintz is a very consistent designer,  so the newer models (never seen any "oldies", so I only supose) have their share of legacy from the older ones... 

   

  Hope I got understood a little, given my english.

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower.

  



Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net> wrote:

  

Perhaps the most important part of the Zodiac/Zenith history is the 

Heintz family structure and the way the different members of this 

family get involved with the aircraft.



There are 5 different men involved in this business - all of them 

members of the Heintz family. Chris is the one who actually designs 

airplanes. He is now retired or nearly so. His only relationship to 

the Zenith Aircraft Company in Mexico, MO (as far as I can tell) is 

that he is the father of the two principals there - Sebastian Heintz 

the president, and Nicholas Heintz the technical wizard and factory manager.



I think the two Heintz boys do a reasonably good job supporting ZAC 

and its products - especially Nick. I don't know what their 

involvement might have been in earlier models, but it is unreasonable 

to expect them to do anything with the models unrelated to ZAC.



There are two other brothers of Sebastian and Nick involved in the 

airplane business in the USA. Michael Heintz is working to set up 

some sort of operation on the West coast, and there is another (whose 

name I don't know) involved in AMD in Georgia.



Perhaps the doubt expressed by the original lister in this thread is 

related to misunderstanding that there is a single Heintz and single 

company that is responsible for all the Heintz designs. There is not.



Paul

XL wings

do not archive



 	  Quote: 	
		  One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading this

group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their history,

but refuses to talk about or support it.



This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models

evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors of

the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this is

the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking away

from all those 601's.



Any idea why they won't support their progeny?


	




		

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