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Geoff Heap

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 266
Location: Lindenwold, New Jersey

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

I am intending to modify my 701 to dual sticks shortly based on the 601 dual stick option. Apart from some dimensional and proportional differences I see no big problems. I would appreciate any input. In particular, DIRK from Piketberg recently wrote...Way to go Chris! this is what its all about! 

I've done a dual stick mod on mine, if you're interested..... 

I hate yhat "Y" stick.......Geoff

Larry Martin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 31
Location: Cabot, Arkansas

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

You might be interested in the way I designed my dual sticks.  It's a total 

retro-fit that allows you to put back the "Y" stick with little effort.  See 

it at  http://www.skyhawg.com/sticks.html, or any questions, let me know.



Update, finally got my prop back from Warp Drive.  Took almost a month. 

Seems like painting the tips really got them out of balance.  They 

re-balanced them at no-charge.   Got'm back on and starting my ground time 

to tweak the prop.   It's time to send in the paper work to the FAA for my 

inspection.



Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com

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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Geoff, I flew the HD, HDS and XL with center stick. When I built my XL I 

installed the duel stick and it is a joy when compared. The ability to change 

hands and freedom in the cockpit have some real safety benefits (imagine trying to 

get to your fire extinguisher while flying left handed) and the feel of 

"yanking and banking" with the stick at your knees is a true pleasure. FWIW, Bill 

of Georgia 62 hours on my XL-3300

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dirkslabbert(at)telkomsa.
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Geoff, perhaps I can help, save you some time and effort!

The 601 dual stick option is not a retrofit to the 701, there are a number 

of changes, not rocket science, but time consuming.

Contact me off list, I can send you some pics.

Regards,

Dirk

Piketberg SA

701 SP 90% ( many personal touches ...)

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Geoff Heap

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 266
Location: Lindenwold, New Jersey

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: Re: 701 Dual stick mod

Dirk. Please contact me offline at STOL10(at)comcast.net. Thanks

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Jari Kaija

Joined: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 69

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

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		   Contact me off list, I can send you some pics.

 Regards,


	


Very od behavior indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Is there some reason, that you can't share your modifications

for everyone. Ie. putting those pictures to some free home

page? I HATE people, who won't share their information

for everyone, especially, when we are not talking about

space shuttles.



I "fight" against this kind of behavior in finland time to time.

"Old farts" keeps their information under their butt and when

you are going to ask something from them: "I haven't time....".

allenricks(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Jari,



Since this is a problem for you, perhaps you would solve it for us

all by setting up, maintaining, and paying for a zenith picture and mod

website.

If you did that, we could post any pictures and mods any time we needed to.



Thanks for volunteering to solve the problem.



I didn't notice that anyone was trying to not share, the lister volunteered

to send info to a fellow lister.  If you were polite, I'm sure he would send

the information to you too.



I thought it was nice that the information was offered to a fellow lister.



Allen.



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 	  Quote: 	
		   Contact me off list, I can send you some pics.

 Regards,


	


Very od behavior indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Is there some reason, that you can't share your modifications

for everyone. Ie. putting those pictures to some free home

page? I HATE people, who won't share their information

for everyone, especially, when we are not talking about

space shuttles.



I "fight" against this kind of behavior in finland time to time.

"Old farts" keeps their information under their butt and when

you are going to ask something from them: "I haven't time....".



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dirkslabbert(at)telkomsa.
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Jari, I am sorry if I came across wrong, perhaps a perception error!

I am happy to share my knowledge and experiences, only I cannot post photos 

on this forum, you are welcome to ask, if interested.



I do not have a home page, please dont hate me for that.

Thanks for the compliments

Regards,

Dirk

Piketberg, SA

DO NOT ARCHIVE!!

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Geoff Heap

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 266
Location: Lindenwold, New Jersey

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: 701 Dual stick mod

Hey Tari. Slow down a little there. I was taken aback by your post. That's the first time I've seen such an angry outburst on this site.

I have never tried and do not know how to post pics up here yet. (I guess I need to get to that). Also, I do not have a Website to share my building experiences with you guys. Now THAT I am looking into. My reason? It's because of all the help I've been getting. I want to give back. Maybe DIRK is in the same boat as me and thats why he asked me to contact him offline. You and the whole world are most welcome to any information I get.

OLD FARTS? SECRETS? Ease up Jari

Again, Dirk my email to you did not get through to you. Please email me at Stol10(at)comcast.net  Thanks

zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Allen, Jari need not do what Jon, David and Myself have already done.

www.ch601.org www.ch701.com are websites for all builders to share. If

someone has something to share to the group they send it to me and I add

it to the site. Jari's tone was a bit off from his usual postings but I

will just add that to a frustrating day he had and he may have just

vented in the wrong direction instead of suggesting to send the

modification to www.ch701.com for everyone to share. I volunteered to do

these websites quite some time ago, now I need you to send me stuff to

post. I can only build so many planes and my creativity is less now then

it used to be.



Mark Townsend  Alma, Ontario

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com / www.ch801.com 



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JAPhillipsGA(at)AOL.COM
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Where is Pertiberg SA ?

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Bill,

I've flown both and find the Yoke is a serious advantage for getting in 

and out, both passenger and pilot.

The dual stick provides a problem when you have to stick your head down 

near the header valve or the brake pedals

to fill the reservoir.  I can't see any great reason to reinvent the 

standard stick for each seat. Cost is not at issue,

but simplicity is hard to duplicate, especially when it is functional.



Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com

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Bill Naumuk wrote:



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naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Thanks, Larry.

Cost IS an issue, if you already have the factory component!

                                                                Bill

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Jari Kaija

Joined: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 69

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

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		   it to the site. Jari's tone was a bit off from his usual postings but I

 will just add that to a frustrating day he had and he may have just

 vented in the wrong direction instead of suggesting to send the


	


    Yep. Something like that. Had too much phone calls to

solve couple problem with plane. I apologize my behavior.

gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Bill-

I have over 400 hours of flying dual stick arrangements, with both left and 

right

hand throttle arrangements.  On my 601xl I opted for the center stick due to

ease of entry and egress.  I've watched a number of passengers really 

struggle in

trying to position themselves around a stick.

   From the pilot's perspective, you can get use to any arrangement with a 

little

practice.



George May

601xl 912s

[quote]From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk(at)alltel.net>

Reply-To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

To: <zenith-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Re: 701 Dual stick mod

Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:02:28 -0400




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N601RT

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Posts: 31
Location: Hillsboro, Oregon

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: Re: 701 Dual stick mod

I'm very happy with the Y stick in N601RT. I find it very natural to fly with. It is easy to fly with "cross handed" if needed. I believe it would be safer in a crash than having something extra between your legs. I also agree that it makes getting in and out of the plane easier.



Note that I am no longer using royt.or at netzero dot com My new email is N601RT at comcast dot net



Regards,



Roy



N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,

510hrs, 622 landings

john.marzulli(at)gmail.co
Guest

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

Having flown yokes and a stick ( tandem ) I have to say I prefer the stick

during flight. Entry/egress is just a little trickier, but you gain so much

room from a stick.

On 5/5/06, george may <gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

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 Bill-

 I have over 400 hours of flying dual stick arrangements, with both left

 and

 right

 hand throttle arrangements.  On my 601xl I opted for the center stick due

 to

 ease of entry and egress.  I've watched a number of passengers really

 struggle in

 trying to position themselves around a stick.

    From the pilot's perspective, you can get use to any arrangement with =

a

[quote] little

 practice.

 George May

 601xl 912s

 >From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk(at)alltel.net>

 >Reply-To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 >To: <zenith-list(at)matronics.com>

 >Subject: Re: Re: 701 Dual stick mod

 >Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:02:28 -0400

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Michael Valentine

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 108

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

I have been wondering the same thing as many other posters.  While I

appreciate all the responses, the seem to come from the pilot's perspective=

john.marzulli(at)gmail.co
Guest

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: 701 Dual stick mod

The first time I ever flew in the right seat as a passenger I was amazed at

how hard it was to avoid the yoke when the pilot pulled back.



On 5/5/06, Michael Valentine <mgvalentine(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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 I have been wondering the same thing as many other posters.  While I

 appreciate all the responses, the seem to come from the pilot's

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 So, do the passenger's prefer single or dual?  On entry it seems more

 difficult to have dual.  What about in flight - is it awkward for the

 passenger to avoid bumping the stick?  What about when they twist and tur=

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		   to stay comfortable on a longer flight!?



 Thanks all, Michael



 On 5/5/06, John Marzulli <john.marzulli(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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