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mikeso98312(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

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Anybody know what's up with William Wynne?  

   

I paid him for an intake and exhaust in December of 2009 that he has yet to send me.  He hasn't responded to my emails  or returned a phone call since August of last year.  Moreover, I haven't seen anything on the web from him lately either.  

   

It would appear that I am out about eight hundred bucks.

 

 Regards to all,  

   

Mike ONeal  

Silverdale WA  

 



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MRus597999(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

After writing some e-mails favorably of another corvair builder, and  receiving some nasty e-mails from some of his ill mannered devotees, (who  tattled on me by forwarding my e-mails to WW) I received a cell phone call from  WW. It was a very respectful  and cordial phone conference. I may have  exaggerated some of my statements about WW. For instance I stated he  doesn't stand behind his stuff, however,all who supply to the experimental  building community don't guarantee their products,  no one does, for the  most part. He does make some internal engine parts as he has developed his own  5th bearing, although no better than Wieseman's 5th bearing and about 3 times  more expensive, but so is Roy's Garage setup. (Why any one would buy other than  Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it costs around 1/3 their 5th bearing costs.)  WW answered some of my issues. However, I followed up on some of his comments to  me about some of his competitors and I fear his information is at best out of  date, as are some of the foul mouthed critics of me. Magnificent Machines does  have aircraft flying with his engines.I watched the video of Steve  Mskisdh's  experimental airplane flying with iMM's corevair engine  products quite successfully.  Magnificent Machine had one new crank of  its first orders that was defective, and which will be corrected,  and MM has cranks in several other engines. 

  

 In any event, I too have had trouble in the past in getting WW  products sent to me in a timely fashion, but I eventually always got what was  owed to me. I would appreciate it if you would keep us up to date on your order.  It's inexcusable what WW has done, or not done, with respect to your  order.

  

   I believe WW knowledge as to Corvair engine conversions is very  good, still. But there are others out there who have some good experience and  ideas and to his credit WW agrees with them. I will follow his guidelines as  expressed in his books and videos which I have purchased for the most part and  will use my own discretion in deciding otherwise.

  

 As a retired collections attorney I would turn your claim over to a local  collection agency in Florida and maybe you could get some pressure to send you  your products. 

  

 MDR

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rvickski(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

Mikey, you're cracking me up. How is 1695 three times more than 1100? I must have skipped class the day they taught fuzzy math. Glad someone payed attention. 



Hey, listen, and keep this under your hat.  I still have my fallout shelter from the 50's and it's well stocked with provisions left over from Y2K, come on over next year, we'll hang and yuk it up during the end of the world. We'll have a blast, guaranteed.  I'll supply the beer, you bring the Zoloft, you can teach me fuzzy math and I'll show you how to hold 2 ten-thousandths on a line bore and explain why it's a good idea. Consider hoarding some of that Zoloft if you haven't already. We might be holed up for awhile.  But don't worry, the plans are in place for repopulating the planet. So, for sure, get your plane done because there is a whole network of like minded folks scattered far and wide and we need to ensure the proper genetic diversity, and not take too long doing it.

We're looking for the right sort and you strike me as such.

But first convince me 1695 is three times more than 1100 because I'll need that logic the further my master plan for the new economy. And besides, I'll then be able to take the rest of what you say seriously.

Cheers Dude, and all in fun.



On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:10 PM, MRus597999(at)aol.com (MRus597999(at)aol.com) wrote:

[quote] He does make some internal engine parts as he has developed his own 5th bearing, although no better than Wieseman's 5th bearing and about 3 times more expensive, but so is Roy's Garage setup. (Why any one would buy other than Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it costs around 1/3 their 5th bearing costs.)



 



  

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sblack

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

Doesn't Roys bearing include machining the case and line boring and  precision location of the 5th bearing? It would make sense that providing this  service costs money. Am I wrong? 

  

 (Why any one would  buy other than Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it costs around  1/3 their 5th bearing costs.) 

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MRus597999(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

Well , it has been represented to me, by WW himself, that he  charged around $3k, Roy of Roy's Garage  also charged around $3k a while  back. But I see he now charges a lot less. Good. You could've said that also  with out the insults.  When I last checked Roy's price  was  a lot higher and I didn't go back to his website because it was so high.  (Also, I had a chance to interact a little with him at a Corvair College and  "Mr. Warmth" he is not.)  If WW and Roy have both lowered their prices  to $1695 for a 5th bearing,..fine, (that is still a lot more than Dan's) and it  still means you have to ship your engine to  them to get the work done  and who knows how much more it will cost after that. In any event is not  $1695  more than Dan's $1050?  You can support WW, or Roys  Garage, with out the insults. 

  

 Mike Russell

 (PS. Aeromax has a 5th bearing too, But I guess that's going to far to  mention them as this will  lead to more insults so just forget I  mentioned it.  WW told me he thought they were not in business anymore and  other not so nice things.)  The more I think about it I am going to stick  with MM.  I know when I order something from him I will get it in a timely  manner.

  

  

  In a message dated 1/26/2011 2:08:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  rvickski(at)yahoo.com writes:

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		  Mikey,    you're cracking me up. How is 1695 three times more than 1100? I must have    skipped class the day they taught fuzzy math. Glad someone payed    attention.     



   Hey, listen, and keep this under your hat.  I still have my fallout    shelter from the 50's and it's well stocked with provisions left over from    Y2K, come on over next year, we'll hang and yuk it up during the end of the    world. We'll have a blast, guaranteed.  I'll supply the beer, you bring    the Zoloft, you can teach me fuzzy math and I'll show you how to hold 2    ten-thousandths on a line bore and explain why it's a good idea. Consider    hoarding some of that Zoloft if you haven't already. We might be holed up for    awhile.  But don't worry, the plans are in place for repopulating the    planet. So, for sure, get your plane done because there is a whole network of    like minded folks scattered far and wide and we need to ensure the proper    genetic diversity, and not take too long doing it.

   



   We're looking for the right sort and you strike me as such.

   



   But first convince me 1695 is three times more than 1100 because I'll    need that logic the further my master plan for the new economy. And    besides, I'll then be able to take the rest of what you say    seriously.

   



   Cheers Dude, and all in fun.

   



   



      

      On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:10 PM, MRus597999(at)aol.com (MRus597999(at)aol.com) wrote:

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		             He does make some internal engine parts as he has developed his      own 5th bearing, although no better than Wieseman's 5th bearing and about 3      times more expensive, but so is Roy's Garage setup. (Why any one would buy      other than Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it costs around 1/3 their 5th      bearing costs.)



          



      

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MRus597999(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

You don't have to do all the stuff that is required with Roy's 5th bearing,  with Dan's setup. Even WW promotes and sells Dan's setup. Nothing wrong  with Roy and I am sure his prices are appropriate. We're trying to save money in  the experimental market and that's why I say all things being equal I will go  with the lowest price. 

  

  In a message dated 1/26/2011 4:36:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  scott-black(at)sympatico.ca writes:

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		     Doesn't Roys bearing include machining the case and line boring and    precision location of the 5th bearing? It would make sense that providing this    service costs money. Am I wrong? 

    

   (Why any one would buy other than    Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it costs around 1/3 their    5th bearing costs.) 

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sblack

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

But you most probably will not get the same high tolerance bearing  alignment. Whether that is really required I don't know. 

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   You don't have to do all the stuff that is required with Roy's 5th    bearing, with Dan's setup. 

    

    

    

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MRus597999(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

You  make a good point

  

  In a message dated 1/26/2011 5:47:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  scott-black(at)sympatico.ca writes:

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		     But you most probably will not get the same high tolerance bearing    alignment. Whether that is really required I don't know. 

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     You don't have to do all the stuff that is required with Roy's 5th      bearing, with Dan's setup. 

      

      

      





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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

Like others, I too had to wait a good while to get some of the parts I had ordered from WW.  But I eventually got them all.  I think WW does so much of the work himself to keep costs down, that many items are backlogged.  About WW,  a couple of years ago at Oshkosh, I was at the WW display and I  saw a part on display that I eventually was going to buy.  WW said "take it."  I didn't have the cash on me at that point and WW said to just take it. " I know you're good for it."  Quite nice of him.  Not many people would do that.  

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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

I agree, WW is really focused on safety and sometimes he comes on strongly  about that, but we can't be too safe. He and I talked yesterday on the  phone about the guy who was out $800, among other things. WW said that this  gentleman's order  is part of a larger order and the balance hasn't been  shipped because this guy put off taking it. I think it is really a problem of  communication and I would suggest the guy keep trying to make contact.  FlyCorvair, though is definitely still in business.  

  

 By the way does anyone know how to contact Steve Makish?

  

 Mike Russell

  

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Like others, I too had to wait a good while to get    some of the parts I had ordered from WW.  But I eventually got them    all.  I think WW does so much of the work himself to keep costs down,    that many items are backlogged.  About WW,  a couple of years ago at    Oshkosh, I was at the WW display and I  saw a part on display that I    eventually was going to buy.  WW said "take it."  I didn't have the    cash on me at that point and WW said to just take it. " I know you're good for    it."  Quite nice of him.  Not many people would do that.   

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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:25 am Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

Like you, I would like to believe in WW.  He  has been good with me, however, I was sorry to see him bad mouth Bill Clap some  time ago.  After their long relationship it would  be better it seems  to me to try to talk it over with Bill before accusing him of  stealing.  Hope it was not true because I have had a good relationship  with Bill also.     cleone

  



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 I agree, WW is really focused on safety and sometimes he comes on strongly  about that, but we can't be too safe. He and I talked yesterday on the  phone about the guy who was out $800, among other things. WW said that this  gentleman's order  is part of a larger order and the balance hasn't been  shipped because this guy put off taking it. I think it is really a problem of  communication and I would suggest the guy keep trying to make contact.  FlyCorvair, though is definitely still in business.  

  

 By the way does anyone know how to contact Steve Makish?

  

 Mike Russell

  

  In a message dated 1/27/2011 6:04:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  fulcona(at)dow.com writes:

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Like others, I too had to wait a good while to get    some of the parts I had ordered from WW.  But I eventually got them    all.  I think WW does so much of the work himself to keep costs down,    that many items are backlogged.  About WW,  a couple of years ago at    Oshkosh, I was at the WW display and I  saw a part on display that I    eventually was going to buy.  WW said "take it."  I didn't have the    cash on me at that point and WW said to just take it. " I know you're good for    it."  Quite nice of him.  Not many people would do that.   

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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:48 pm Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

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At a Corvair College (1, William (and Rick Lindstrom) treated me exceptionally well in making sure I ended up with a good engine that they had sold me. During the college, I purchased some videos and books from William. There was one left in his series but my wallet was low so I didn’t buy it. When I paid for the other stuff, William just gave me the one book I didn’t have, saying “This is my gift to you for driving as far as you did for this college.” I  don’t know about anyone else, but as far as I am concerned, he made a customer for fife.  

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cleone24(at)mchsi.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:46 am Post subject: William Wynne out of Business?

From: Keith Burris (klburris(at)frontiernet.net) 

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At  a Corvair College (1, William (and Rick Lindstrom) treated me exceptionally  well in making sure I ended up with a good engine that they had sold me. During  the college, I purchased some videos and books from William. There was one left  in his series but my wallet was low so I didn’t buy it. When I paid for the  other stuff, William just gave me the one book I didn’t have, saying “This is my  gift to you for driving as far as you did for this college.” I  don’t know about anyone else, but as far  as I am concerned, he made a customer for  fife. 

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