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 Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: FSII |
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I have just purchased a firestar two in flying
condition after working on one in my basement for 15 years. I realized I would
never finish it before I got too old.
It is as much fun to fly as I have imagined, particularly after adding the
vortex generators.
my 503 has a clutch in the C gearbox and a three bladed warp drive
prop. As you know this allows the prop to freewheel when gliding and adds a lot
of drag. also if it ever quit on me in flight an air restart would be
impossible.
are the advantages of the easier start and smoother idle worth the tradeoff?
Thanks,
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: FSII |
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If you are expecting the air to turn your prop fast enough to restart, it won't do that with or without a clutch, but you can add a starter and start it anywhere.
Larry
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: FSII |
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Mike, I voted with my feet, as they say. The first major work I did on my engine / drive when I got home from Rotax school was to get that rice king clutch out.Some like them, I don't.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Mike Hale <halesbeer(at)gmail.com (halesbeer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I have just purchased a firestar two in flying
condition after working on one in my basement for 15 years. I realized I would
never finish it before I got too old.
It is as much fun to fly as I have imagined, particularly after adding the
vortex generators.
my 503 has a clutch in the C gearbox and a three bladed warp drive
prop. As you know this allows the prop to freewheel when gliding and adds a lot
of drag. also if it ever quit on me in flight an air restart would be
impossible.
are the advantages of the easier start and smoother idle worth the tradeoff?
Thanks,
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: FSII |
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I'm not sure what voting with my feet means???
From a engine/drive line stand point the clutch does a lot of good things. Assuming that the clutch is reliable the reduced stress on the airframe, engine crank shaft, reduction drive, prop, prop bolts, etc. etc. there should be a big gain on over all reliability.
As for increased drag: If I want to land and stop short this might be good. If you land on black top you could actually slow down without heavy braking action. I had a reduction drive failure a few years back that allowed my three bladed F Model PowerFin prop to free wheel. During the excitement of the uneventful forced landing I didn't notice any increased drag but again I was busy.
As always worth what you paid for it
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
Back from Panama & Costa Rica
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Mike, I voted with my feet, as they say. The first major work I did on my engine / drive when I got home from Rotax school was to get that rice king clutch out. Some like them, I don't.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Mike Hale <halesbeer(at)gmail.com (halesbeer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I have just purchased a firestar two in flying
condition after working on one in my basement for 15 years. I realized I would
never finish it before I got too old.
It is as much fun to fly as I have imagined, particularly after adding the
vortex generators.
my 503 has a clutch in the C gearbox and a three bladed warp drive
prop. As you know this allows the prop to freewheel when gliding and adds a lot
of drag. also if it ever quit on me in flight an air restart would be
impossible.
are the advantages of the easier start and smoother idle worth the tradeoff?
Thanks,
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:23 am Post subject: FSII |
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Rick, Take it as putting my money where my mouth is. Experience and reporting on the effect of the clutch seems to be dependent on one's feelings for it. I didn't like it. I've landed my Mk IIIC engine out with the prop stopped and with the prop freewheeling and the clutch reduced the glide by half.
Rick
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com (neilsenrm(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm not sure what voting with my feet means???
From a engine/drive line stand point the clutch does a lot of good things. Assuming that the clutch is reliable the reduced stress on the airframe, engine crank shaft, reduction drive, prop, prop bolts, etc. etc. there should be a big gain on over all reliability.
As for increased drag: If I want to land and stop short this might be good. If you land on black top you could actually slow down without heavy braking action. I had a reduction drive failure a few years back that allowed my three bladed F Model PowerFin prop to free wheel. During the excitement of the uneventful forced landing I didn't notice any increased drag but again I was busy.
As always worth what you paid for it
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
Back from Panama & Costa Rica
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Mike, I voted with my feet, as they say. The first major work I did on my engine / drive when I got home from Rotax school was to get that rice king clutch out. Some like them, I don't.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Mike Hale <halesbeer(at)gmail.com (halesbeer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I have just purchased a firestar two in flying
condition after working on one in my basement for 15 years. I realized I would
never finish it before I got too old.
It is as much fun to fly as I have imagined, particularly after adding the
vortex generators.
my 503 has a clutch in the C gearbox and a three bladed warp drive
prop. As you know this allows the prop to freewheel when gliding and adds a lot
of drag. also if it ever quit on me in flight an air restart would be
impossible.
are the advantages of the easier start and smoother idle worth the tradeoff?
Thanks,
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: FSII |
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Rick, Take it as putting my money where my mouth is. Experience and reporting on the effect of the clutch seems to be dependent on one's feelings for it. I didn't like it. I've landed my Mk IIIC engine out with the prop stopped and with the prop freewheeling and the clutch reduced the glide by half.
As I understood the mans question- it was concerning restarting his engine by diving to build up airspeed to turn the prop fast enough to restart. I am not sure what that speed would be, but I am sure it is past VNE. In other words, it isn't gonna happen.
Larry
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