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ospreysammy

Joined: 29 Jan 2011
Posts: 5
Location: MD

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:58 am Post subject: Duckwork HID lights

I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. This has led me to two questions; first since they are so bright, is one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical load but would add asymmetry. Second question is, do I need to wait to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done? I looked through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: Duckwork HID lights

Sam I am a big proponent of dual HID’s and the Wig/Wag function. I have had sooooo many comments from tower controllers & commercial airlines on how visible my -10 is in wig/wag mode that I would not minimize my lighting situation. Furthermore I have each light set up at slightly different angles so I get excellent coverage in most phases of landing/flair.  

As far as electrical load I have dual G900X screens, Back Up Dynon D100, dual 16 Watt Coms, plus the usual Transponder, Audio etc… and a lot of other odds & ends electronics and my 60A total never gets above something like 23 in flight including while running the HID’s. 

 

Robin   

 

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I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. This has led me to two questions; first since they are so bright, is one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical load but would add asymmetry. Second question is, do I need to wait to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done? I looked through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:46 am Post subject: Duckwork HID lights

Sam, I posted this reply as part of a different thread today

when I was lazy and just had my iphone handy.



"The other one is cutting the holes for the Duckworks lights.  You don't 

have to even use lights, but for resale and construction reasons I would 

recommend that basically every builder cut the hole in each wing if they 

think there will EVER be a chance they sell the plane.  Most buyers 

would be used to seeing wing lights and they will want them, and cutting 

them later will wreck the paint.  So just cut them initially and then 

decide later what to put in there.  The wing is still the only location 

that doesn't come with some sort of compromise."



I'll expand a bit now that I'm at my regular PC.



I would at LEAST cut the hole on the 2nd wing. Don't skip it and

then find out after the fact that you aren't 100% happy.  You can

get OK lighting I'm sure with just 1, but 2 will give very good

even lighting and even if you only put in 1 for the first couple

years, I'd be prepared to put in a 2nd light.  You'll be happier

later.  It's a real simple install to cut the hole, and no

fiberglass involved.



Regarding power draw, the total draw is something like 3A per HID

for me after they start up.  That's WAY less than normal landing

lights. My old plane had a single 20A light....and you could

go halogen for 10A.  I can do 2 lights that are 3x as bright

as the single halogen, and still be at 2/3 the power draw. You

won't be disappointed in HIDs.  There are some recent LED lights

that are starting to approach HID's in intensity, however they

are also starting to approach HID's for power draw as well, and

they cost more.  Over time, we may see LED's be a good option

if the price decreases to the point where they are lower

than HID's for the same brightness.



With the holes cut, you could install even the mini lamps in

the wings if you wanted.  You may not get the performance, but

at least the hole is cut.



My total panel draw with everything on, including all lights,

is under 40 or 42A.  So no matter what you do, you're going

to have it better off than many previous aircraft had it.

Heck, I think my old Nav Lights had 7A bulbs in them...you

won't be needing that.



As for that outer rib, I don't know that it matters a lot

if you rivet it or not.  I think you could go either

way.  You're working in the outer bay of the wing, so

nothing is too hard to get at.

Tim



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 I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading

 edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system.

 This has led me to two questions; first since they are so bright, is

 one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am

 thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical

 load but would add asymmetry. Second question is, do I need to wait

 to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done? I looked

 through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim)

 and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard

 rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated.

 Thanks in advance.



 -------- Sam Clark Builder # 40972





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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: Duckwork HID lights

Sam, I've only bought and are about to install one Duckworks light, for the left wing.  Having said that I don't like night flying and avoid it when possible, so I don't expect to use it a lot.  Also you can always install another after the aircraft is flying if you plan accordingly.  I do know one will be much brighter than the 2  lights in my Cessna Cardinal.

  

 Rick

 #40956

 Southampton, Ont



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I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. This has led me to two questions; first since they are so bright, is one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical load but would add asymmetry. Second question is, do I need to wait to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done? I looked through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.



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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: Duckwork HID lights

Again with my Wig/Wag HID’s I get noticed 7 miles out on approach in the day time. Dual flashing HID’s may be one of the best safety vs. cost items on your build. Seeing is avoiding. 

 

Robin  

 

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Sam, I've only bought and are about to install one Duckworks light, for the left wing.  Having said that I don't like night flying and avoid it when possible, so I don't expect to use it a lot.  Also you can always install another after the aircraft is flying if you plan accordingly.  I do know one will be much brighter than the 2  lights in my Cessna Cardinal. 



 



Rick



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Southampton, Ont



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I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. This has led me to two questions; first since they are so bright, is one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical load but would add asymmetry. Second question is, do I need to wait to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done? I looked through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

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Eric_Kallio

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Duckwork HID lights

I have 2, although not wig-wags. I installed them after completing the leading edges with no problems. As long as they are off of the airplane I had no issues at all with access.



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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: Duckwork HID lights

Sam, as Robin states, you can't beat the HID's for recognition distance/brightness.

  

 I'm a little concerned about wig-waging the HID's so I am going to use the wing tip halogen lights as wig/wags.  If they don't perform as I hope, I can always change my lighting configuration.

  

 I expect this aircraft will evolve as I fly it and I will need something to mess around with when I'm not flying anyway.  As everyone knows, that's the beauty of an experimental......

  

 Rick

 #40956

 Southampton, Ont



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I have 2, although not wig-wags. I installed them after completing the leading edges with no problems. As long as they are off of the airplane I had no issues at all with access.



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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Duckwork HID lights

Thanks all for the insight and advice. I went ahead and ordered two, I can't argue with the safety of being seen. I have crossed paths with quite a few light civil aircraft and some were closer than I would like before they were seen. Thanks again.

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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: Duckwork HID lights

While we're talking about Duckworks lights, I know Tim suggests using the 

35W D1S bulbs.  Vans only has the 50w HID's on their website catalog.  Are 

they the D1S style also or do we need to order directly from Duckworks?



Bill



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 Thanks all for the insight and advice. I went ahead and ordered two, I 

 can't argue with the safety of being seen. I have crossed paths with quite 

 a few light civil aircraft and some were closer than I would like before 

 they were seen. Thanks again.



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