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RayStL

Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 36

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Battery box being demanded

To answer Raymond's question:

An MDRA inspector is not a civil servant. He is a volunteer. In my case he is also an AME whose livelihood depends on keeping this same DOT inspector happy.



I have no doubt that this will eventually be resolved in my favor. If I can find an STC for a similar configuration, it will be done in 2 days. Otherwise I will have to make a full blown presentation before a tribunal that in a process I expect will take at least another 2 months.

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Ray St-Laurent
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:21 pm Post subject: Battery box being demanded

do not archive



I hope you are able to resolve it with an STC.



Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN



On 02/09/2011 01:12 PM, RayStL wrote:

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 To answer Raymond's question:

 An MDRA inspector is not a civil servant. He is a volunteer. In my case he is also an AME whose livelihood depends on keeping this same DOT inspector happy.



 I have no doubt that this will eventually be resolved in my favor. If I can find an STC for a similar configuration, it will be done in 2 days. Otherwise I will have to make a full blown presentation before a tribunal that in a process I expect will take at least another 2 months.



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 Ray St-Laurent

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 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330315#330315

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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:31 pm Post subject: Battery box being demanded

Sure sounds easier to build a box and be done with it.



Regards



Ron Raby

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: Battery box being demanded

Sorry Guys but because of the original reverence ot CAR I thought the plane was Canadian...  That accounts for the difference in what is in the reg.



 Noel



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Noel Loveys
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Float Flyr

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:28 am Post subject: Battery box being demanded

Ray try contacting Gary Wolfe president of the RAA.  He may be able to help

you as all the Canadian inspectors actually are RAA.



There is also a yahoo group canultra.com which you may be able to contact

him.



Noel



I'm now assuming the plane is here in Canada.



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Noel Loveys
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Float Flyr

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: Battery box being demanded

Just for the Americans reading this it is actually TC (Transport Canada)

which does the licensing. An AME is not an Aviation Medical Examiner but an

Aircraft Maintenance Engineer.  The inspections of homebuilt aircraft have

been removed form TC in an attempt to free up their inspectors time for

larger aircraft.  The Inspectors are actually appointed members of the

Canadian RAA ( Recreational Aircraft Association)



Noel



I've gone back to my original idea that the plane is Canadian so there is a

fool up in the part the inspector quoted.



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Noel Loveys
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: Battery box being demanded

That would be difficult as home built aircraft are not certified there fore

STCs do not apply.  However you can have a look through AC43... The FAA

circular which is the also the Canadian bible on aircraft standards...

Hmmm  I wonder if the part he quoted is not in CARs but 

AC43.  I'll check it out.

for ideas on how to install the battery.



Noel



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Noel Loveys
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:53 am Post subject: Battery box being demanded

Just checked AC43.13-2a PP79 - 80  it gives all the requirements for the

battery box or tie down.  It is possible the inspector will be happy with

venting that would allow any hydrogen gas he thinks may be produced to

safely be removed.  Humour him.



BTW AC43.13 1b/2a is available online from the FAA in pdf format free.  If

you make changes for the inspector I'd print the pages from the AC so you

can tell him these are the exact standards you used.



Noel

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: Battery box being demanded

On 02/09/2011 10:42 AM, n801bh(at)netzero.com wrote:

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		   In my experimental I used the group 24 box shown here.

 <http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=102091&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=10109&subdeptNum=10548&classNum=10551>


	




	For what it is worth, I saw what appeared to be the same battery box at

Walmart last night for $6.94.



-Dj

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RayStL

Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Battery box being demanded

I just sent my (latest) reply off to the DOT inspector. I found ST02156AK which is an STC for supercubs. It allows for the installation of an underseat sealed  battery (Odyssey) to replace the original battery and battery box. That should be enough justification. For the supercub case, considering the shorter and smaller cables it saves 16 pounds.  



Thanks for all your ideas and suggestion. I'll let you know what happens.



--ray

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Ray St-Laurent
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject: Battery box being demanded

Thanks for the hard work on this Ray, it's a great service to a lot of 

homebuilders having to face down Transport or the MD-RA.



Vern



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RayStL

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Battery box being demanded

Glad to help. I think it is almost over.



Some things are too silly to live. This was one of them.

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Ray St-Laurent
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RayStL

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Battery box being demanded

Here is an excerpt from an email I received yesterday...



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		  Hello ray,

 

After further review, Transport Canada has no objection that you continue operating aircraft registered C-GJRL in the present configuration. 	
 



Yay.

--ray

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Ray St-Laurent
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:42 pm Post subject: Battery box being demanded

Ray,



CONGRATS!!



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On Feb 23, 2011, at 16:18, RayStL wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Here is an excerpt from an email I received yesterday...

 

 

> Hello ray,

> 

> After further review, Transport Canada has no objection that you continue operating aircraft registered C-GJRL in the present configuration.

 

 

 Yay.

 --ray 

 

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 Ray St-Laurent

 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine

n801bh(at)NetZero.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: Battery box being demanded

Hmmmm. 

Transport Canada must read this list too. <GG> 

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Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



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