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dlm34077(at)q.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:19 pm Post subject: brake linings

Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112  (Cleveland equivalent is 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +  for a set of Clevelands.

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject: brake linings

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1258510.html

Aircraft Supply in PA...$18.50

It is also used on the Beech Skipper



On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is

 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of

 Clevelands.

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A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: brake linings

Spruce has carried them in the past.  I just found them online

I think from Skygeek.com too for $18.99 each.

There are no Rapco's available yet.  Rapco is in the process

of making them and getting them out but they said 2-3 more

months. I started talking to them back in 2006 or 2007 about

making them for the RV-10 and they're finally about to get

them in production.  They told me last week that when they're

available, Desser Tire will have them first, but that it

will at least be 2-3 months yet.



For now, your only choice is Cleveland.  Oh, and I saw that

Desser will likely be selling them for $16.99, so sadly,

it's not going to be a huge savings...only $8 for a complete

brake job.



Tim

On 3/29/2011 6:31 PM, DLM wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is

 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of

 Clevelands.



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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: brake linings

Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.

 Don McDonald

 Here at Lakeland in my RV41.



 

   From: DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM

Subject: brake linings



   Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of Clevelands.

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Don A. McDonald
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rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: brake linings

desser carries them

 http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/Brakes/ 

    

  From: DLM (dlm34077(at)q.com) 

 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:31 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

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  Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112  (Cleveland equivalent is 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +  for a set of Clevelands.

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: brake linings

I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them for

ends up changing to a real actual "much" better.  The

Clevelands I saw for $18.99.  Desser wanted $16.99 for

the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under

$10 for Rapco's.  If they can't do better than cutting

$2 off, I can't consider it "much".  I'd love to

see them for $10 each.

Tim

On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to

 go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the

 FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.

 Don McDonald

 Here at Lakeland in my RV41.



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 *From:* DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com>

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM

 *Subject:* brake linings



 Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is

 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of

 Clevelands.



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rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:04 am Post subject: brake linings

Vans quotes $66 for a set of four plus rivets - that's $16.50 each,



Rodger



--- On Wed, 30/3/11, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 Subject: Re: brake linings

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 5:39

 

 Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 

 I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them

 for

 ends up changing to a real actual "much" better.  The

 Clevelands I saw for $18.99.  Desser wanted $16.99

 for

 the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under

 $10 for Rapco's.  If they can't do better than

 cutting

 $2 off, I can't consider it "much".  I'd love to

 see them for $10 each.

 Tim

 

 

 On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:

 > Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and

 they are going to

 > go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior

 to attaining the

 > FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much

 better price.

 > Don McDonald

 > Here at Lakeland in my RV41.

 >

 >

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 > *From:* DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com>

 > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 > *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM

 > *Subject:* brake linings

 >

 > Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112

 (Cleveland equivalent is

 > 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +

 for a set of

 > Clevelands.

 >

 > *

 

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Tim Olson

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Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: brake linings

Today, that's a good deal.  I should warn you RV-10 guys....brakes may not last you long until you get it in your head not to ride them.  My first set lasted 150 hours or so, as a guess....I hit 170 and the rivets were hitting the rotors.  My next set went longer.  But, if you fly 100 hrs/year, you'll want to inspect every spring and fall and you will likely replace them every other year. I'm sure many people will do better than me, too, but either way, always keep a spare set on hand....you will find that it is nice not to scramble to order them when you suddenly need them, because they're not convenient to change with wheel fairings.  That's why I have no air fill ports on the fairings....it provides the necessary

Motivation to pop off the fairing occasionally and replace or inspect the brakes.

Tim

On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 AM, Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Vans quotes $66 for a set of four plus rivets - that's $16.50 each,

 Rodger

 --- On Wed, 30/3/11, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

> Subject: Re: brake linings

> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

> Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 5:39

> 

> Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

> 

> I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them

> for

> ends up changing to a real actual "much" better.  The

> Clevelands I saw for $18.99.  Desser wanted $16.99

> for

> the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under

> $10 for Rapco's.  If they can't do better than

> cutting

> $2 off, I can't consider it "much".  I'd love to

> see them for $10 each.

> Tim

> 

> 

> On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:

>> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and

> they are going to

>> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior

> to attaining the

>> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much

> better price.

>> Don McDonald

>> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.

>> 

>> 

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> *From:* DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com>

>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

>> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM

>> *Subject:* brake linings

>> 

>> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112

> (Cleveland equivalent is

>> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +

> for a set of

>> Clevelands.

>> 

>> *

> 

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> 

> 

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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:44 am Post subject: Re: brake linings

I've had the opportunity to fly RV-10's with and without rudder pedal extensions. I believe the rudder pedal extensions make staying off the brakes a whole lot easier. The angle of the pedals make it pretty hard to do without the extensions. This seems to be more true for taller pilots with bigger feet. I gave some transition training to a gentleman who purchased a flying RV-10 a couple of weeks ago. He was a big guy and had a real problem keeping his feet off the brakes. I am not sure, but suspect the rudder pedals were in the aft position on his airplane and that probably aggravated the problem. I installed the rudder pedal extensions from http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Rudder_pedal_Extensions.html and they are working great for me. There are other vendors selling similar extensions as well. I planned to change brake linings at my last condition inspection in December, but they were only about half worn at 300+ hours. I am going to take another look at them this week. Now that I am using my airplane for a little bit of Transition Training, I am sure the wear will accelerate.

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dlm34077(at)q.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:33 am Post subject: brake linings

I agree that a lot of pilots ride the brakes. While checking out another 

pilot in my 10, I did not notice he was on the brakes until we touched and 

then hopped on the nose wheel. I now fly with my feet on the weldments and 

deliberately move feet to centers to apply brakes. I will be suggesting that 

others who fly my aircraft avoid using the brakes on landing.

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rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:43 am Post subject: brake linings

My suggestion is those at SnF talk to Ken at the Desser booth, he is the one 

driving all the parts for the -10, the other folks there wont know. Ask him 

about the pads and other -10 parts in the works. Tell him you want better 

pricing on the pads. He has been more than willing to make it work for the 

RV's in general and I have found he listens to suggestions.

Pascal

--------------------------------------------------

From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:39 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: brake linings

 	  Quote: 	

 I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them for

 ends up changing to a real actual "much" better.  The

 Clevelands I saw for $18.99.  Desser wanted $16.99 for

 the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under

 $10 for Rapco's.  If they can't do better than cutting

 $2 off, I can't consider it "much".  I'd love to

 see them for $10 each.

 Tim

 On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:

> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to

> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the

> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.

> Don McDonald

> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> *From:* DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com>

> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM

> *Subject:* brake linings

>

> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is

> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of

> Clevelands.

>

> *

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: brake linings

I think those extensions probably aren't a bad idea if for

nothing else than as a training crutch to help prevent

someone from riding the brakes.  You're right that especially

for tall people, and especially with the pedals in the aft

position,  you can picture your foot that is always bent

back more than 90 degrees, just to make your foot sole

match the angle of the pedal.  So having a little extra

bump out on the bottom bar is probably a good thing to help

keep your toes from hitting while your feet first touch.

If you notice on my rudder pedal blocks I made for andrea,

I added a piece of trim wood to put the bottoms out an

extra 1/4" or more too, just for that purpose.



I may actually give these pedal extensions a try.  It's a bit

steep in price but they look to be done nicely.  But at this

point I'm down to only a few upgrades/mods left that

I could possibly do, so maybe I should try them out. 

The biggest downside for me is that they'd interfere with

my gust lock unless I modified that too...and I really

like my gust lock.  But, oh well.



Thanks for reminding us of these David....I do think they're

a good idea.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 3/30/2011 8:44 AM, dmaib(at)me.com wrote:

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 I've had the opportunity to fly RV-10's with and without rudder pedal

 extensions. I believe the rudder pedal extensions make staying off

 the brakes a whole lot easier. The angle of the pedals make it pretty

 hard to do without the extensions. This seems to be more true for

 taller pilots with bigger feet. I gave some transition training to a

 gentleman who purchased a flying RV-10 a couple of weeks ago. He was

 a big guy and had a real problem keeping his feet off the brakes. I

 am not sure, but suspect the rudder pedals were in the aft position

 on his airplane and that probably aggravated the problem. I installed

 the rudder pedal extensions from

 http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Rudder_pedal_Extensions.html and they are

 working great for me. There are other vendors selling similar

 extensions as well. I planned to change brake linings at my last

 condition inspection in December, but they were only about half worn

 at 300+ hours. I am going to take another look at them this week. Now

 that! I am using my airplane for a little bit of Transition Training,

 I am sure the wear will accelerate.



 -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559





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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:06 am Post subject: brake linings

HEALS ON THE FLOOR! That was what was drilled into me from early on in my flight training. It is nearly impossible to actuate the breaks with your heals touching the floor boards. For me I do that & keep the balls of my feet on the corners of the peddle assemblies until I need to apply the brakes. My first set of brakes lasts 195 hours including about 40 hours flying off of grass strips which can be substantially harder on the pads. Those pads still had 20+% left but since we were changing tires & tubes we changed the shoes as well. I hope to get 300 hours out of my second set flying exclusively on pavement.  

I am sure the rudder pedal extensions will help prevent brake riding. I am however reticent to add more weight & costs to my flying -10, especially for something I can do without if I use basic piloting skills. 

 

Robin 

 

 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of DLM

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Subject: Re: brake linings

  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com (dlm34077(at)q.com)>



I agree that a lot of pilots ride the brakes. While checking out another

 pilot in my 10, I did not notice he was on the brakes until we touched and

then hopped on the nose wheel. I now fly with my feet on the weldments and

deliberately move feet to centers to apply brakes. I will be suggesting that

 others who fly my aircraft avoid using the brakes on landing.

---

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: brake linings

Cool, a man on the inside!  That's what we need.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 3/30/2011 9:57 AM, preid wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 My suggestion is those at SnF talk to Ken at the Desser booth, he is the

 one driving all the parts for the -10, the other folks there wont know.

 Ask him about the pads and other -10 parts in the works. Tell him you

 want better pricing on the pads. He has been more than willing to make

 it work for the RV's in general and I have found he listens to suggestions.

 Pascal



 --------------------------------------------------

 From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:39 PM

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Re: brake linings



> 

>

> I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them for

> ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The

> Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99 for

> the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under

> $10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than cutting

> $2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to

> see them for $10 each.

> Tim

> On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:

>> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to

>> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the

>> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.

>> Don McDonald

>> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.

>>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> *From:* DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com>

>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

>> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM

>> *Subject:* brake linings

>>

>> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is

>> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of

>> Clevelands.

>>

>> *

>

>

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