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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: Sun n fun

I  was there today.  massive   damage



I saw one Kitfox  2 or  3  bent to hell  and  in half.

dozens of planes  destroyed.



will  post pics  and movies  soon.



Dave

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rawheels

Joined: 09 Jul 2008
Posts: 89
Location: Westfield, IN

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Sun n fun

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNt1BKqF3a0



AvWeb Video: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_StormDamage_204383-1.html



AOPA Slideshow: http://www.aopa.org/sunnfun/2011/110331sun-n-fun_closed_violent_storm_destroys_many_aircraft.html?WT.mc_id=110401epilot&WT.mc_sect=snf

pchristensen10(at)austin.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: Sun n fun

My Kitfox III,  parked in the, HB Camping was spared, while an Avid in 

front and a Cub next to me were wrecked. My tent was flattened.



Pete

Leander, TX, Kitfox III, 912, Grove.

On 3/31/2011 6:46 PM, dave(at)cfisher.com wrote:

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 I  was there today.  massive   damage



 I saw one Kitfox  2 or  3  bent to hell  and  in half.

 dozens of planes  destroyed.



 will  post pics  and movies  soon.



 Dave

MDKitfox(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:24 pm Post subject: Sun n fun

Pete,



You are one lucky guy!  Go play lotto.  Seriously, we're glad to hear you and your Kitfox are okay.  Were you with the airplane when the Wx hit?

 Rick Weiss

N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS

SkyStar S/N 1

Port Orange, FL

 

 

On Apr 3, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Pete Christensen wrote:

[quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Pete Christensen <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com (pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com)>



My Kitfox III,  parked in the, HB Camping was spared, while an Avid in front and a Cub next to me were wrecked. My tent was flattened.



Pete

Leander, TX, Kitfox III, 912, Grove.

On 3/31/2011 6:46 PM, dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com) wrote:

[quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)



I  was there today.  massive   damage



I saw one Kitfox  2 or  3  bent to hell  and  in half.

dozens of planes  destroyed.



will  post pics  and movies  soon.



Dave



http://www.matroni            &n            -                         &nbs  --> http://www.matronics.com/co=================





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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: Sun n fun

Pete,



As I looked at the devastation in the slide shows, I couldn't help think of 

the seeming randomness of the damage.  It made me wonder what types of 

tiedowns the survivors used and if tiedown method was a factor in who 

escaped damage or was not so fortunate.  What were you using and do you have 

any idea what the Avid and Cub were using?



Lowell



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From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com>

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:46 PM

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Sun  n  fun



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com>



 My Kitfox III,  parked in the, HB Camping was spared, while an Avid in 

 front and a Cub next to me were wrecked. My tent was flattened.



 Pete

 Leander, TX, Kitfox III, 912, Grove.

 On 3/31/2011 6:46 PM, dave(at)cfisher.com wrote:

> 

>

> I  was there today.  massive   damage

>

> I saw one Kitfox  2 or  3  bent to hell  and  in half.

> dozens of planes  destroyed.

>

> will  post pics  and movies  soon.

>

> Dave

pchristensen10(at)austin.
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject: Sun n fun

Lowell,

I saw the screw in's pull out most in the wet sandy soil.  I had a 

Claw.  I was on hi ground.  An RV was upwind from me and probably slowed 

the wind down some.  My gear was sprung in showing that it had lifted up 

against the tiedowns.  I plan to make longer spikes for my Claws.

Pete

On 4/3/2011 4:58 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Pete,

 As I looked at the devastation in the slide shows, I couldn't help 

 think of the seeming randomness of the damage.  It made me wonder what 

 types of tiedowns the survivors used and if tiedown method was a 

 factor in who escaped damage or was not so fortunate.  What were you 

 using and do you have any idea what the Avid and Cub were using?

 Lowell

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 From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com>

 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:46 PM

 To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Re: Sun  n  fun

> 

> <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com>

>

> My Kitfox III,  parked in the, HB Camping was spared, while an Avid 

> in front and a Cub next to me were wrecked. My tent was flattened.

>

> Pete

> Leander, TX, Kitfox III, 912, Grove.

> On 3/31/2011 6:46 PM, dave(at)cfisher.com wrote:

>> 

>>

>> I  was there today.  massive   damage

>>

>> I saw one Kitfox  2 or  3  bent to hell  and  in half.

>>

>>

>> dozens of planes  destroyed.

>>

>> will  post pics  and movies  soon.

>>

>> Dave

>>

>>

>

>

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Sun n fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9c_o2mEfGg

brubakermal(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject: Sun n fun

my buddy rode out the storm hanging on to his plane.   it was tail first into the wind he also had his car and golf cart tyid to it

 

Malcolm Brubaker 

Michigan Sport

Pilot Repair 

LSRM-A, PPC, WS

(989)513-3022

From: Pete Christensen <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 6:16:30 PM

Subject: Re:  Sun  n  fun



 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Pete Christensen <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com (pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com)>



Lowell,



I saw the screw in's pull out most in the wet sandy soil.  I had a 

Claw.  I was on hi ground.  An RV was upwind from me and probably slowed 

the wind down some.  My gear was sprung in showing that it had lifted up 

against the tiedowns.  I plan to make longer spikes for my Claws.



Pete



On 4/3/2011 4:58 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:

[quote] --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net (lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net)>



 Pete,



 As I looked at the devastation in the slide shows, I couldn't help 

 think of the seeming randomness of the damage.  It made me wonder what 

 types of  tiedowns the survivors used and if tiedown method was a 

 factor in who escaped damage or was not so fortunate.  What were you 

 using and do you have any idea what the Avid and Cub were using?



 Lowell



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 From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com (pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com)>

 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:46 PM

 To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)>

 Subject: Re: Sun  n  fun



> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Pete Christensen 

> <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com (pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com)>

>

> My Kitfox  III,  parked in the, HB Camping was spared, while an Avid 

> in front and a Cub next to me were wrecked. My tent was flattened.

>

> Pete

> Leander, TX, Kitfox III, 912, Grove.

> On 3/31/2011 6:46 PM, dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com) wrote:

>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)

>>

>> I  was there today.  massive   damage

>>

>> I saw one Kitfox  2 or  3  bent to hell  and  in half.

>>

>>

>> dozens of planes  destroyed.

>>

>> will  post pics  and movies  soon.

>>

>>   

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KeysFox

Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 137

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:22 am Post subject: Sun n fun

I asked some folks in Paradise City the ultra kite tie down area if there were any lessons to be learned about tie down equipment and technique.

The usual various failures popped up. Straps came lose or broke, tie down screw ins came out. Plus planes, trailers, and junk blew into or onto secure aircraft. 

One operator said they always use a power auger to implant their tie downs but did not tie down their trailer which was both tipped over onto a picnic table and was both gouged and caved in by a lose plane.

I'd love to read a review done by the oil of contract insurance adjusters, EAA or some one who got a good look at the weak links.

BJ

Kitfox IV 912



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[quote]From: Pete Christensen <pchristensen10(at)austin.rr.com>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 22:16:30 GMT+00:00

Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun  n  fun

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: Sun n fun

Pete,



I was one of the five guys that stopped and talked to you, Rich and Mary

Jane on Saturday night before the start of Sun-n-Fun.  I am very glad that

your plane survived the big storm.  I got to see most of the planes that

were damaged that afternoon and you are very lucky indeed.  



It seems that most of the planes that survived had the Claw tie downs.  I

did not see any Claws pulled out but many screw in tie downs were hanging on

the end of their ropes for all to see.   I will have a Claw tie down system

ordered very soon.



Mike Logan



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pchristensen10(at)austin.
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: Sun n fun

Mike,



I plan to get longer spikes for my "Claws".  I lucked out.  My spikes 

were raised slightly and I could pull most of them out by hand.  Sandy 

wet soil looses 1/2 the strength of any tie down.



Pete

On 4/5/2011 3:40 PM, Michael Logan wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Pete,



 I was one of the five guys that stopped and talked to you, Rich and Mary

 Jane on Saturday night before the start of Sun-n-Fun.  I am very glad that

 your plane survived the big storm.  I got to see most of the planes that

 were damaged that afternoon and you are very lucky indeed.



 It seems that most of the planes that survived had the Claw tie downs.  I

 did not see any Claws pulled out but many screw in tie downs were hanging on

 the end of their ropes for all to see.   I will have a Claw tie down system

 ordered very soon.



 Mike Logan

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Sun n fun

 	  michael.logan1(at)verizon wrote: 	
		  Pete,



I was one of the five guys that stopped and talked to you, Rich and Mary

Jane on Saturday night before the start of Sun-n-Fun.  I am very glad that

your plane survived the big storm.  I got to see most of the planes that

were damaged that afternoon and you are very lucky indeed.  



It seems that most of the planes that survived had the Claw tie downs.  I

did not see any Claws pulled out but many screw in tie downs were hanging on

the end of their ropes for all to see.   I will have a Claw tie down system

ordered very soon.



Mike Logan



-- 	


Mike you are right -- I would say that the improper securing of aircraft certainly contributed to some of the damages. 



Dog -screw in are junk - I banned from my strip as well as those idiotic 1" wide straps or ropes with a tensile of less that 1000 lbs each.

I have others that tie down here have planes break free-- luckily no damage to other aircraft just their own.



I agree  that I saw alot of tiedowns still attached to the aircraft at Sun N Fun.........  The Claw in my opinion would have helped some of them.  

The KF 3 is pretty well destroyed-- it was ties to a casting that likely weighed less than 100 lbs........ each.  A Kitfox 3 will lift 1050 legally and likely 2000 lbs before starting to distort.  that would need 600 lbs each to hold it down. - at least

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