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turbot

Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 21

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

I am in the market for a 2 place folding wing aircraft.



Will be flown from an unimproved farm field. Cruise speed is of no concern, STOL perf & rough field use are .



What is the general opinion of a Mk3 compared to a Kitfox / Avid ?



Thanks

elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:49 am Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

having flown a Kitfox and owning 3 diferent models of Kolbs the Kolb will Get off the ground Quicker and Has much more room in the cockpit and  better View than a Kitfox 

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

Cruise speed is of no concern, STOL perf & rough field use are >>



Hi,

there are planes with better wing fold systems but with big tyres (tires) 

the Xtra will take some beating for STOL peformance from a rough field



Pat

ghaley(at)wt.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

You might want to take a look at the Highlander from Just Aircraft.

YouTube "Highlander"

or Google "Just Aircraft".

--- turbot(at)shaw.ca wrote:



From: "turbot" <turbot(at)shaw.ca>

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: MK3 Stol performance

Date: Wed,  6 Apr 2011 21:21:40 -0700






I am in the market for a 2 place folding wing aircraft.



Will be flown from an unimproved farm field. Cruise speed is of no concern, STOL perf & rough field use are .



What is the general opinion of a Mk3 compared to a Kitfox / Avid ?



Thanks





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336331#336331

herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:43 am Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

I met a fellow who had one of those....87,000 bucks....Herb

At 09:40 AM 4/7/2011, you wrote:

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You might want to take a look at the Highlander from Just Aircraft.

YouTube "Highlander"

or Google "Just Aircraft".

--- turbot(at)shaw.ca wrote:



From: "turbot" <turbot(at)shaw.ca>

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: MK3 Stol performance

Date: Wed,  6 Apr 2011 21:21:40 -0700






I am in the market for a 2 place folding wing aircraft.



Will be flown from an unimproved farm field. Cruise speed is of no 

concern, STOL perf & rough field use are .



What is the general opinion of a Mk3 compared to a Kitfox / Avid ?



Thanks





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336331#336331

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

Maybe that's what he was asking....   That is a very fine airplane.  There is a fellow locally who built his own with a Jab

and I see no negatives in owning one.  It is convertible from nose to tailwheel.

BB

do not archive



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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

He went to the factory in South Carolina and did some sort of 

builders assist program....912s engine...Said that it cost him 

87k.  Basically a glorified kit fox...imho.. Herb

At 01:53 PM 4/7/2011, you wrote:

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Maybe that's what he was asking....   That is a very fine 

airplane.  There is a fellow locally who built his own with a Jab

and I see no negatives in owning one.  It is convertible from nose 

to tailwheel.

BB

do not archive



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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: MK3 Stol performance

I would have to agree with Ellery on the Kit Fox...they  are very small inside and the flapper-on system is not very accommodating in a short field landing as you lose 80% of the ailerons when you drop the flaps...very uncomfortable on a windy day ! I love my M3X/Jabiru airplane ! 



chris ambrose

M3X/Jab A-2200      180.00 hrs

N327CS



search youtube ....  ces308....  check out Roberts Landing...

elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

I have built & flown a Highlander from Just aircraft and  I am not impressed with the airplane 

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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turbot

Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 21

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: Re: MK3 Stol performance

Good Day



The Highlander is to expensive & very few on used market.



I ask about STOL perf here because very little is said about it here, where as the Fox/flyer forums mention weight, landing & takeoff  roll alot.

The early Fox/flyers had wings designed strictly for stol, & latter changed for increased speed. After a year of lurking here I cant remember anyone comparing airfoils in regards to low speed lift.  



[b]Hi, 

there are planes with better wing fold systems but with big tyres (tires) 

the Xtra will take some beating for STOL performance from a rough field 



Pat  [/b]



Is the Fox/flyer  folding system better than Kolbs ?

This is important as our shed door is only 15' wide.



Is an Extra a better choice for stol / rough that a Mk3 ?



I have not been in a MK3 , so the comments about more interior room are appreciated.

Better visibility would be a plus to.



Thanks for all comments, keep them coming

Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:45 pm Post subject: MK3 Stol performance

At 02:33 PM 4/8/2011, turbot wrote:



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		  Is the Fox/flyer  folding system better than Kolbs ?

 This is important as our shed door is only 15' wide. 	


 The Kitfox wing fold system is probably easier than even the Kolb... just pull the pin at the front strut and fold it back.  No strut removal, and no need to fold the tail.  I believe it's still within the 8'5" max highway trailer width.  It probably also needs less door clearance on top since it's not a high mounted pusher engine.  I've never flown one though, gotta hit my buddy up for a ride.



 -Dana

 

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