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tc1917(at)bellsouth.net
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 Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:23 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/15/11 |
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Going to add to this discussion of getting your registration on your plane.
The FAA recommended you purchase an already licensed plane and add your
plane parts to it. Duh, how about purchasing a crashed plane and taking the
id tag off of it and installing it on yours and making the adjustments to
your plane to match the other ID. The FAA couldnt tell you to do that cause
it is basically illegal but we just have two rivets stopping you. for what
it is worth. ted
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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/15/11 |
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Guess that is why N numbers/ id tags are valuable? My bud will pay
1k for one or the other or both.....Do not know the exact methods,
but that is the discussion I had with him the other day at a flyin...Herb
At 05:20 AM 4/16/2011, you wrote:
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Going to add to this discussion of getting your registration on your
plane. The FAA recommended you purchase an already licensed plane
and add your plane parts to it. Duh, how about purchasing a crashed
plane and taking the id tag off of it and installing it on yours and
making the adjustments to your plane to match the other ID. The FAA
couldnt tell you to do that cause it is basically illegal but we
just have two rivets stopping you. for what it is worth. ted
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byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:51 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/15/11 |
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Going to add to this discussion of getting your registration on your plane.
The FAA recommended you purchase an already licensed plane and add your
plane parts to it. Duh, how about purchasing a crashed plane and taking the
id tag off of it and installing it on yours and making the adjustments to
your plane to match the other ID. The FAA couldnt tell you to do that cause
it is basically illegal but we just have two rivets stopping you. for what
it is worth. ted
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i am not sure if it is illegal or not... i know of plane rebuilders that have taken a totaled aircraft,,,, salvaged 12 inches of straight tube from the tail section and the serial number and data plate, and rebuilt the rest from scratch from brand new parts,,,, it still was a 1952 model plane that was rebuilt in 1998, because it was rebuilt, it was still a certified aircraft that was worth a lot more than an experimental home built. just because it had the data plate,, to my knowledge, this type of activity is fully legal,
so if you buy a totaled plane,,, i think you have to use some part of it to call it a rebuild,,, and not just a data plate swap.
oooookay i just got off the phone with an a&p and he said " from his training and in his opinion" you don't have to re use any parts of the old plane,,,, just the data plate. he is in the process of rebuilding a cub with all new parts, and an old data plate,,, a 1952 cub with 2500 hours and most of the parts have not been off the ground. the year of manufacture and hours are attributed to the data plate, not the rest of the plane, because his is a certified plane, all parts have to be faa pma certified parts for the data plate he is using. he did mention by way of an example that if the plane you want to put in the air is Cessna 150b model... you cant get a data plate from a 150a it has to be a 150b. the other thing that you will have to concern yourself with is the registration of the wrecked plane,,, if the faa has sent the re registration notice for the wreck and it was not turned in,,, or not turned in 90 days from the second notice,,, the tail number is no longer valid, so you will have to buy a wreck in which the faa registration is still good. if the faa pulled the tail number,,, you wont get anything back for 5 years, this is the incentive for sending in the paperwork on time. so if you total your aircraft,,,, and want to some day rebuild,,, or sell the data plate,,, send in the paperwork and re register the plane/ tail number, this will reserve your rights to be able to rebuild or sell the data plate. so you wont end up with a lawn decoration.'
i know there are some a&p / ia's in the group... is my a&p friend correct?
boyd young
mkIII utah
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:34 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/15/11 |
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In regard to certificated airplanes, it has been long accepted practice to be able to create a new airplane froma data plate and a set of papers. -in fact, at one time you could easily procure new paperwork directly from the FAA for this.
I arranged a swap with two other parties where, for an E-2 piper/taylor registration, my neighbor got a nice original sensenich wood prop
andI got a set of rebuildable jugs for my A-65.
Now this will become a moot point with the re-registration procedure recently started. This will take out a lot of those
"airplanes in a drawer" because the geezers who have them won't bother to keep up appearances. *poof* no more airplane.
With experimentals or certified, if it has been reported wrecked, I wouldn't anticipate an easy path.
That leaves three routes:
1. remove enough stuff to go legal 103. (you don't really need that plastic seat, extra gauges, brakes)
2. buy a wreck for the papers that HASN'T been reported.
3. strip that baby down and make it look like new. Apply for new papers. This would be my favored approach.
BB
MkIII, new registration, wrecked airplane parts.
On 16, Apr 2011, at 1:46 PM, b young wrote:
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Going to add to this discussion of getting your registration on your plane.
The FAA recommended you purchase an already licensed plane and add your
plane parts to it. Duh, how about purchasing a crashed plane and taking the
id tag off of it and installing it on yours and making the adjustments to
your plane to match the other ID. The FAA couldnt tell you to do that cause
it is basically illegal but we just have two rivets stopping you. for what
it is worth. ted
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i am not sure if it is illegal or not... i know of plane rebuilders that have taken a totaled aircraft,,,, salvaged 12 inches of straight tube from the tail section and the serial number and data plate, and rebuilt the rest from scratch from brand new parts,,,, it still was a 1952 model plane that was rebuilt in 1998, because it was rebuilt, it was still a certified aircraft that was worth a lot more than an experimental home built. just because it had the data plate,, to my knowledge, this type of activity is fully legal,
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so if you buy a totaled plane,,, i think you have to use some part of it to call it a rebuild,,, and not just a data plate swap.
oooookay i just got off the phone with an a&p and he said " from his training and in his opinion" you don't have to re use any parts of the old plane,,,, just the data plate. he is in the process of rebuilding a cub with all new parts, and an old data plate,,, a 1952 cub with 2500 hours and most of the parts have not been off the ground. the year of manufacture and hours are attributed to the data plate, not the rest of the plane, because his is a certified plane, all parts have to be faa pma certified parts for the data plate he is using. he did mention by way of an example that if the plane you want to put in the air is Cessna 150b model... you cant get a data plate from a 150a it has to be a 150b. the other thing that you will have to concern yourself with is the registration of the wrecked plane,,, if the faa has sent the re registration notice for the wreck and it was not turned in,,, or not turned in 90 days from the second notice,,, the tail number is no longer valid, so you will have to buy a wreck in which the faa registration is still good. if the faa pulled the tail number,,, you wont get anything back for 5 years, this is the incentive for sending in the paperwork on time. so if you total your aircraft,,,, and want to some day rebuild,,, or sell the data plate,,, send in the paperwork and re register the plane/ tail number, this will reserve your rights to be able to rebuild or sell the data plate. so you wont end up with a lawn decoration.'
i know there are some a&p / ia's in the group... is my a&p friend correct?
boyd young
mkIII utah
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/15/11 |
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I am going to keep shooting for the 103 and at the same time keep my eye out for the right deal on a damaged Firestar 1 (5 spar) that is currently registered. I really appreciate all the info and ideas, I want to keep everything above the table and do everything the honest way, as God wants me too, because ultimately I answer to him. I am going to be looking into the rebuild idea and find out from the faa what is exactly is allowed and see what I can do from there. I have found a couple of planes right now that fits the bill, the problem is the cash is not there right now. I am always checking the post because I know all of you guys have been there and done that so to speak and I really do appreciate all the knowledge that comes from this list.
Thanks again,
Greg
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