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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 1:33 pm Post subject: "Must Fix" items

This weekend I got a little keyboard time...



I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10

builders could use because so many people run into similar

situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the

big ones right away.



So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders.

Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either

address or become deeply familiar with.



There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed

my memory.  On this particular write-up I'd like to only

include safety things....not just "better" things, like

better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those

are more "options".  These are things that personally I

think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory,

to some extent, although some people are well into flying

and some things may be less easy for them to want to do.

My goal is that new builders would just go directly into

doing things to the best level of safety.



Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll

consider adding things.



A couple more posts to come...



-- 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:50 pm Post subject: "Must Fix" items

I think you meant to include a link: http://myrv10.com/tips/mods/Top_10_MustFixes.html

  

 Added to #2 (door latch): I'd strongly recommend a very small gap between the door and the receiver block--like 1/8" or so.  This makes it such that to get the front pin in and the rear pin out, the door has to be *really* twisted.  Mine is built this way, and it would be really difficult (but not impossible) to improperly latch the door with this setup.

   

 -Rob

 On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

This weekend I got a little keyboard time...



I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10

builders could use because so many people run into similar

situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the

 big ones right away.



So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders.

Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either

address or become deeply familiar with.



There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed

 my memory.  On this particular write-up I'd like to only

include safety things....not just "better" things, like

better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those

are more "options".  These are things that personally I

 think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory,

to some extent, although some people are well into flying

and some things may be less easy for them to want to do.

My goal is that new builders would just go directly into

 doing things to the best level of safety.



Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll

consider adding things.



A couple more posts to come...



-- 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com

 Matt Dralle, List Admin.

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 Rob Kochman

RV-10 Flying, Phase 1

 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Ooops! 

Yep, sorry!

Tim





On May 9, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



[quote]I think you meant to include a link: http://myrv10.com/tips/mods/Top_10_MustFixes.html

  

 Added to #2 (door latch): I'd strongly recommend a very small gap between the door and the receiver block--like 1/8" or so.  This makes it such that to get the front pin in and the rear pin out, the door has to be *really* twisted.  Mine is built this way, and it would be really difficult (but not impossible) to improperly latch the door with this setup.

   

 -Rob

 On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]>

 

This weekend I got a little keyboard time...



I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10

builders could use because so many people run into similar

situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the

 big ones right away.



So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders.

Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either

address or become deeply familiar with.



There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed

 my memory.  On this particular write-up I'd like to only

include safety things....not just "better" things, like

better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those

are more "options".  These are things that personally I

 think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory,

to some extent, although some people are well into flying

and some things may be less easy for them to want to do.

My goal is that new builders would just go directly into

 doing things to the best level of safety.



Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll

consider adding things.



A couple more posts to come...



-- 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com

 Matt Dralle, List Admin.

 =====



	




 

-- 

 Rob Kochman

RV-10 Flying, Phase 1

 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K



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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:09 am Post subject: Re:

Tim,

A good list but you should mention Vertical Power on number ten. They have safety trim built in.

John

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 8:44 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Scott S. brought it up a while ago, but the lock nuts for the break 

assembly holding the Break Torque Plate should be metal lock nuts not 

the AN365-428.  Plans 46-4.  The breaks get hot and the nylon lock nuts 

will loose there locking ability over time.



Larry Rosen



On 5/9/2011 4:30 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 This weekend I got a little keyboard time...



 I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10

 builders could use because so many people run into similar

 situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the

 big ones right away.



 So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders.

 Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either

 address or become deeply familiar with.



 There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed

 my memory.  On this particular write-up I'd like to only

 include safety things....not just "better" things, like

 better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those

 are more "options".  These are things that personally I

 think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory,

 to some extent, although some people are well into flying

 and some things may be less easy for them to want to do.

 My goal is that new builders would just go directly into

 doing things to the best level of safety.



 Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll

 consider adding things.



 A couple more posts to come...

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:00 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Great point, I'll add that too!

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 5/10/2011 11:40 AM, Larry Rosen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Scott S. brought it up a while ago, but the lock nuts for the break

 assembly holding the Break Torque Plate should be metal lock nuts not

 the AN365-428. Plans 46-4. The breaks get hot and the nylon lock nuts

 will loose there locking ability over time.



 Larry Rosen



 On 5/9/2011 4:30 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> This weekend I got a little keyboard time...

>

> I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10

> builders could use because so many people run into similar

> situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the

> big ones right away.

>

> So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders.

> Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either

> address or become deeply familiar with.

>

> There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed

> my memory. On this particular write-up I'd like to only

> include safety things....not just "better" things, like

> better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those

> are more "options". These are things that personally I

> think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory,

> to some extent, although some people are well into flying

> and some things may be less easy for them to want to do.

> My goal is that new builders would just go directly into

> doing things to the best level of safety.

>

> Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll

> consider adding things.

>

> A couple more posts to come...

>

Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Or briefly, one should use metal lock nuts to avoid having brakes that

break. 



On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Scott S. brought it up a while ago, but the lock nuts for the break assembly

 holding the Break Torque Plate should be metal lock nuts not the AN365-428.

  Plans 46-4.  The breaks get hot and the nylon lock nuts will loose there

 locking ability over time.



 Larry Rosen

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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

speckter(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Actually you do want breaks that break,  What good are breaks that don't

break!



Gary Specketer



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woodsie

Joined: 09 Mar 2010
Posts: 18
Location: New Zealand

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: "Must Fix" items

*brakes that don't break







Tony 

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Well, for the picky...brakes that brake well and don't break. Which

should break this thread about brakes.



On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Tony Woods <twoods(at)sesa.af> wrote:

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 *brakes that don't break



 



 Tony

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KCHD

woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:55 pm Post subject: Re:

Great thread and project!



One thing that I am planning on doing is to cut two holes into the tunnel cover for snap-in cup holders. 



This would allow quick and easy inspection of the tunnel area, even in flight, and also the ability to discharge a fire extinguisher directly into the tunnel if necessary.

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Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 3:26 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Would defrost fans qualify as a "Must Fix" item?  Probably not in the 

top 10, but your list may need to be expanded.



Larry

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

I don't think I'd put them as a MUST because they would be loosley tied to safety....but I can put them below under highly suggested.

Tim



On May 12, 2011, at 6:21 AM, Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Would defrost fans qualify as a "Must Fix" item?  Probably not in the top 10, but your list may need to be expanded.

 

 Larry

daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:21 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

I'd like to see pictures of how you do that.



David Leikam

RV10

Flying





do not archive



On May 12, 2011, at 2:55 AM, woxofswa wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Great thread and project!

 

 One thing that I am planning on doing is to cut two holes into the tunnel cover for snap-in cup holders. 

 

 This would allow quick and easy inspection of the tunnel area, even in flight, and also the ability to discharge a fire extinguisher directly into the tunnel if necessary.

 

 --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339652#339652

rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:33 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Speaking of the tunnel cover, I strongly recommend cutting the forward tunnel cover in half, just ahead of the fuel selector.  It's a really easy modification, enabling you to remove the forward half of the cover without removing the seats or fuel selector.  Though not directly safety related, I'd still throw it in that category because it makes you much more likely to frequently check the tunnel for fuel leaks or other problems.

 Here's an in-progress picture: http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/img_5089.jpg

 As an aside, you might notice in the above picture that the brake lines (coming out of the tunnel, near the firewall) are close to the edge of the tunnel cover.  I didn't notice this before flying, but now at 25 hours, there's a significant cut in the left brake line.  It's going to be an enormous task to replace that line now--basically figuring i'm going to have to remove most of the fuel system to enable access.  With just over 10 hours to go in phase 1, this is the last thing I want to be doing.  Anyway, something to look for, especially since it would have been an easy 5-minute job to enlarge the opening.

 -Rob

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:18 AM, David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com (daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com (daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com)>

I'd like to see pictures of how you do that.

David Leikam

RV10

Flying

do not archive

On May 12, 2011, at 2:55 AM, woxofswa wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com (woxof(at)aol.com)>

 Great thread and project!

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   One thing that I am planning on doing is to cut two holes into the tunnel cover for snap-in cup holders.

 This would allow quick and easy inspection of the tunnel area, even in flight, and also the ability to discharge a fire extinguisher directly into the tunnel if necessary.

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress.

 Read this topic online here:

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339652#339652

 ====================

 ; Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,

 ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://====

  http://forums.mle, List Admin.

 =====

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 Rob Kochman

RV-10 Flying, Phase 1

 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K

  [quote][b]

pilotdds(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

For whatever it is worth I would recommend protecting the spars from the rudder cable-I covered my cables with tygon-I have seen two instances of very minor spar abrasion but there is potential for serious problems that can be easily prevented.

 

   

 

 

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Guest

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:04 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

You could put a splice just below the cover. I would think you might have a inch to spare if not, just make a longer top piece.

Patrick Thyssen

Just my two cents

--- On Thu, 5/12/11, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Re: "Must Fix" items

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:29 AM

Speaking of the tunnel cover, I strongly recommend cutting the forward tunnel cover in half, just ahead of the fuel selector.  It's a really easy modification, enabling you to remove the forward half of the cover without removing the seats or fuel selector.  Though not directly safety related,  I'd still throw it in that category because it makes you much more likely to frequently check the tunnel for fuel leaks or other problems.

 Here's an in-progress picture: http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/img_5089.jpg

 As an aside, you might notice in the above picture that the brake lines (coming out of the tunnel, near the firewall) are close to the edge of the tunnel cover.  I didn't notice this before flying, but now at 25 hours, there's a significant cut in the left brake line.  It's going to be an enormous task to replace that line now--basically figuring i'm going to have to remove most of the fuel system to enable access.  With just over 10 hours to go in phase 1, this is the last thing I want to be doing.  Anyway, something to look for, especially since it would have been an easy 5-minute job to enlarge the opening.

 -Rob

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:18 AM, David Leikam <[url=/mc/compose?to=daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com]daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com[/url]> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam <[url=/mc/compose?to=daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com]daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com[/url]>

I'd like to see pictures of how you do that.

David Leikam

RV10

Flying

do not archive

On May 12, 2011, at 2:55 AM, woxofswa wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa" <[url=/mc/compose?to=woxof(at)aol.com]woxof(at)aol.com[/url]>

 Great thread and project!

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   One thing that I am planning on doing is to cut two holes into the tunnel cover for snap-in cup holders.

 This would allow quick and easy inspection of the tunnel area, even in flight, and also the ability to discharge a fire extinguisher directly into the tunnel if necessary.

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress.

 Read this topic online here:

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339652#339652

 ====================

 ; Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,

 ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://====

  http://forums.mle, List Admin.

 =====

-- 

 Rob Kochman

RV-10 Flying, Phase 1

 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K

   	  Quote: 	

 [quote][b]

rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: "Must Fix" items

Thanks, Patrick... Going to look into that tonight.  Will be interesting to see if I can make a good cut and flare while under the panel like that 

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net (jump2(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		       You could put a splice just below the cover. I would think you might have a inch to spare if not, just make a longer top piece.

Patrick Thyssen

Just my two cents  

--- On Thu, 5/12/11, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	

From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)>

 Subject: Re: Re: "Must Fix" items

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:29 AM   

  Speaking of the tunnel cover, I strongly recommend cutting the forward tunnel cover in half, just ahead of the fuel selector.  It's a really easy modification, enabling you to remove the forward half of the cover without removing the seats or fuel selector.  Though not directly safety related, I'd still throw it in that category because it makes you much more likely to frequently check the tunnel for fuel leaks or other problems.

 Here's an in-progress picture: http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/img_5089.jpg

 As an aside, you might notice in the above picture that the brake lines (coming out of the tunnel, near the firewall) are close to the edge of the tunnel cover.  I didn't notice this before flying, but now at 25 hours, there's a significant cut in the left brake line.  It's going to be an enormous task to replace that line now--basically figuring i'm going to have to remove most of the fuel system to enable access.  With just over 10 hours to go in phase 1, this is the last thing I want to be doing.  Anyway, something to look for, especially since it would have been an easy 5-minute job to enlarge the opening.

 -Rob

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:18 AM, David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>

I'd like to see pictures of how you do that.

David Leikam

RV10

Flying

do not archive

On May 12, 2011, at 2:55 AM, woxofswa wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   Great thread and project!

 One thing that I am planning on doing is to cut two holes into the tunnel cover for snap-in cup holders.

 This would allow quick and easy inspection of the tunnel area, even in flight, and also the ability to discharge a fire extinguisher directly into the tunnel if necessary.

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress.

 Read this topic online here:

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339652#339652

 >

 	  Quote: 	

====================

; Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,

="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://====

 http://forums.mle, List Admin.

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 Rob Kochman

RV-10 Flying, Phase 1

 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K

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 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K

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g34u

Joined: 12 Apr 2011
Posts: 1
Location: Hingham Ma.

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: here is a newbie question

I will start my wings very soon and I wanted to get that better 5052-O aluminum tube. I could not tell which one I should get  

here is the link in spruce. Thank you in advance.



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?query=5052-0&search=1

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