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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 11:50 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

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since we are not too busy today, here's a clip of a real petrol hog in action:



B-36 Takeoff

see if you an detect gen jimmy stewart in there.

In Kolb matters,  I got new fuel tanks (took a couple tries to get heavy wall) re piped and ready to install

and changing out the fuel pump that may or may not have had some chunks passed through it.  It ran 

ok last fall but when ya only got one???

BB

lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 1:48 pm Post subject: pusher airplanes

You didn't mention where you got the heavy wall tanks.  BB.

  

 As far as advertising Rotax parts, I can't think of any  reason to not do so, even if there was something to read on the list.  

 Larry

  

  

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

Hello



The material  that they are made of is not compatible with gasoline. 



Please feel free  to contact us Mon-Fri 8:00 am - 5:00 pm EST, with any further questions or  concerns.



Thank you, 



Berta Thaman

United States Plastic Corp.®  

Technical Support  Representative

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 Bob, 

    For what it is worth I asked for  clarification on why the tank is not rated for gasoline. The above is what they  sent me.

 Larry

  

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andysheila(at)eltopia.com
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

You want a fool proof gas tank? Make one out of  polyurethane 1/4 inch foam sandwiched both sides 2 ply glass cloth using vinyl  ester resin. Piece it into your Kolb cage in any volume you desire. We use them  in our glasair header tanks. Materials can be had at Aircraft Spruce. Andy-Mesa  Wash.

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andysheila(at)eltopia.com
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

Addition:  It is obvious this custom tank must  be accomplished before cage is covered.

 Andy

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:31 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

HDPE is surface treated (fluorinated) to give resistance to petroleum products.  These are not, as I suspect most ofthe ones flying around in Kolbs and other UL airplanes are not either.  I looked fairly extensively and could not find any in a heavy wall configuration.

The regular stuff will normally tend to lose a certain amount of weight and actually become more rigid with age due to absorption  of the

more volatile components by the gasoline.

Nalgene makes very good treated containers but I could not find any in our standard configuration.

I'll let y'all know how these work out.

BB



On 9, May 2011, at 9:56 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

[quote]Hello



The material that they are made of is not compatible with gasoline. 



Please feel free to contact us Mon-Fri 8:00 am - 5:00 pm EST, with any further questions or concerns.



Thank you, 



Berta Thaman

United States Plastic Corp.® 

Technical Support Representative

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Bob,

   For what it is worth I asked for clarification on why the tank is not rated for gasoline. The above is what they sent me.

Larry

 

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: pusher airplanes

HDPE is what the common red plastic gas cans are made of. The translucent 15 gallon cylindrical tank I bought from USPlastics a couple years ago is made of HDPE.  It is the tank I use to fill my Slingshot tanks (2 x 5 gal). When I saw the "not for gasoline" note on their website, I called and asked them about it. I was told by one of their engineers that particular tank was not intended for gasoline but is made of the same material as the ones that are intended for gasoline, hence the note on their website. 



I've noticed no change whatsoever in this 15 gallon cylindrical tank in the two years I've used it for fuel storage. The fuel in it now is 93 AKI automotive gasoline with 10% ethanol. I treated it with Sta-Bil when I stored the Slingshot for the winter in Nov 2010.

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Dennis Thate

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Posts: 362

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: pusher airplanes

Regarding your B-36 Jet assist takeoff.

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

Hi Rob,

 that is one of the best flying sequences ever  filmed.I have seen it a hindred times and always enjoyed it. I like the way  Stewart, who is supposed to be a Reserve pilot in the film plays it as if he  knows what is going on and is familiar with the general routines but just a bit  out of his depth with the really big aircraft. Great.

 The other great flying sequence is the Lancaster  dropping the bouncing bomb on the Mohne dam in the film The Dam Busters  .

  

 great stuff.

  

 Pat

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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

Pat- Jimmy Stewart did know what he was doing.  USAF in WWII, with many B-24 missions over Germany.  At least one trip as an observer in a B-52 over Vietnam.  Retirement rank was major general in the USAF reserves.  Plus private pilot's and commercial license.  Read the Wiki bio on him.  Very interesting.

  

                                                 Bill Sullivan



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From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: pusher airplanes

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 12:48 PM



    Hi Rob,

 that is one of the best flying sequences ever filmed.I have seen it a hindred times and always enjoyed it. I like the way Stewart, who is supposed to be a Reserve pilot in the film plays it as if he knows what is going on and is familiar with the general routines but just a bit out of his depth with the really big aircraft. Great.

 The other great flying sequence is the Lancaster dropping the bouncing bomb on the Mohne dam in the film The Dam Busters .

  

 great stuff.

  

 Pat

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

many B-24 missions over Germany>>

  

 As I rermember we had The B-17 Flying fortrss and  the B-24 Liberator in the UK but not the B-29. I was aware that Jimmy operated  from the UK but did not know that he had ever been in a B-29.

 Which about hangs with what I said. he looked as  though he was  familiar with the environment but not really up to speed  with the details.

 I will read up on him.

  

 Pat

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pc.king(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:33 am Post subject: pusher airplanes

There was a B-29 in England during WWII. It was flown  there to show the pilots what was coming next. It was also forbidden to fly a  mission over Germany lest it be shot down and give the technology to the Nazis.  

  

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:59 pm Post subject: pusher airplanes

There was a B-29 in England during  WWII>>

  

 Well, I have never heard that before. Thanks

  

 Pat

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:44 pm Post subject: pusher airplanes

the video was about the B-36.  I remember hearing them growl slowly overhead at high altitude when I was a kid.Jimmy Stewart was actually a B-17 instructor pilot.  If you know how to start a round engine you are in the game.  Not always easy.

There is a reason for those guys standing around with the fire extinguishers.  The puny  J-47s outboard are a curiosity.

Mr. Stewart really loved flying  and kept a small single engine during his later years.  He had a lot of solo cross country experience.

He would occasionally appear on Johnny Carson's show and Johnny was also a recreational pilot. His sidekick, Ed was a P-47 pilot.

I don't know if they did  any flying together.

Don't even start on Bob Cummings.  Southern Cal was a heck of a place for flying back then.

Sorry for not being Kolb oriented here.  I moved the backhoe out of the shed.  (one more tractor to go) to clear space for the annual

migration.  Managed to get the hoe stuck during a "shortcut".  Good thing they have a lot of hydraulics on board.

I'll be dragging the little bird up there soon.

BB



On 11, May 2011, at 1:05 PM, william sullivan wrote:

[quote]  Pat- Jimmy Stewart did know what he was doing.  USAF in WWII, with many B-24 missions over Germany.  At least one trip as an observer in a B-52 over Vietnam.  Retirement rank was major general in the USAF reserves.  Plus private pilot's and commercial license.  Read the Wiki bio on him.  Very interesting.

  

                                                 Bill Sullivan



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Subject: Re: pusher airplanes

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Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 12:48 PM



    Hi Rob,

 that is one of the best flying sequences ever filmed.I have seen it a hindred times and always enjoyed it. I like the way Stewart, who is supposed to be a Reserve pilot in the film plays it as if he knows what is going on and is familiar with the general routines but just a bit out of his depth with the really big aircraft. Great.

 The other great flying sequence is the Lancaster dropping the bouncing bomb on the Mohne dam in the film The Dam Busters .

  

 great stuff.

  

 Pat

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John Hauck

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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: pusher airplanes

I'll be dragging the little bird up there soon.

BB

Bob B/Gents:



Congratulations!  Not on getting the backhoe stuck, but finally getting warm 

enough to move the mkIII to the hanger.



Summer has arrived hauck's holler.  I actually flew 6 miles across the lake 

to my flying buddy's grass strip, borrowed his hose, and washed my mkIII.  I 

am getting ready to fly to the Rock House, 7 miles south of Burns Junction, 

OR.  It is 1,950 miles.  Will take me about 26 flight hours and 130 gals of 

fuel to get there.  Probably 4 days if I went straight there, but I plan to 

visit a few friends and relatives on the way out, so I'll figure on a week 

from the time I lift off Gantt International Airport until I land at Larry 

Cottrel's gravel/dirt strip.



I plan to spend time flying back and forth to the Alvord so I can soak in 

the hot spring.  It is about 35 miles from Larry's to the Alvord.  We land 

on a gravel road with a short walk down to the spring.



Looking forward to going somewhere in my little airplane.  It has been two 

years since I have been able to do a longer cross country flight than Sun 

and Fun.



Tomorrow will replace spark plugs, change the oil and filter, replace one 

aluminum rivet in the door frame, do a good preflight and be ready to go, 

unless I find something during my inspection to fix.  I do have a slight 

leak at the oil pressure relief valve.  Hate any kind of oil leak.  They are 

unnatural on a 912.  



Probably get out of here Sunday or soon thereafter.  Whenever the weather 

looks the best to fly.  Will miss MV this year.  Maybe next year if enough 

folks want to do it again.



john h

Titus, Alabama

mkIII - 3,038.6 hours airframe

912ULS - 470.1 hours engine

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