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VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
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 Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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Could people have a look at there F10102b bagage door seal angles please my QB is riveted outboard of the F- 1046 mid fuse longeron instead of 1/16 inboard to line up with the f-10102a????? Am I missing something?
Also found the F-10102a is to long so will not alow mating with tailcone as it hits the tailcone longeron!!
I can disasemble both and fix however thought I might check if I am missing something
regards Chris 40388
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LarryRosen
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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I had the same problem with the angle on the fuselage being to long. You can see photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/Log/Fuselage/TailconeAttach/index.html>. I had to remove rivits from the QB fuselage to trim the angle to fit.
Larry Rosen
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From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM(at)bigpond.com>
| Quote: | RE: Aileron Pushrod AssembliesCould people have a look at there
F10102b bagage door seal angles please my QB is riveted outboard of the F- 1046
mid fuse longeron instead of 1/16 inboard to line up with the f-10102a????? Am I
missing something?
Also found the F-10102a is to long so will not alow mating with tailcone as it
hits the tailcone longeron!!
I can disasemble both and fix however thought I might check if I am missing
something
regards Chris 40388
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Deems Davis
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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I helps a QB builder last week attach his tailcone, and he also had the
same issue. Drilled out the rivets attaching the angle and shortened it
and reriveted.
Deems Davis # 406
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LarryRosen(at)comcast.net wrote:
| Quote: | I had the same problem with the angle on the fuselage being to long. You can see photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/Log/Fuselage/TailconeAttach/index.html>. I had to remove rivits from the QB fuselage to trim the angle to fit.
Larry Rosen
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From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM(at)bigpond.com>
>RE: Aileron Pushrod AssembliesCould people have a look at there
>F10102b bagage door seal angles please my QB is riveted outboard of the F- 1046
>mid fuse longeron instead of 1/16 inboard to line up with the f-10102a????? Am I
>missing something?
>
>Also found the F-10102a is to long so will not alow mating with tailcone as it
>hits the tailcone longeron!!
>I can disasemble both and fix however thought I might check if I am missing
>something
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>regards Chris 40388
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QB bagage door seal angle
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"Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM(at)bigpond.com>
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Thu, 11 May 2006 10:39:47 +0000
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Could people have a look at there F10102b bagage door seal angles
please my QB is riveted outboard of the F- 1046 mid fuse longeron
instead of 1/16 inboard to line up with the f-10102a????? Am I missing
something?
Also found the F-10102a is to long so will not alow mating with
tailcone as it hits the tailcone longeron!!
I can disasemble both and fix however thought I might check if I am
missing something
regards Chris 40388
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VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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Unfortunately, you have one of the QB fuselages that the
Philippines messed up. Your only option is to remove the parts
that are not assembled according to instructions and fix them. We
have since gotten them to build the baggage door area correctly,
but that doesn't help you. We apologize for their oversight and the
extra work that it has caused you.
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n8vim(at)arrl.net
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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There's an old saying... "If you want it done right, do it yourself..."
So, I guess it would be a quick-rebuild-kit then, eh?
-Jim 40384 Slow build all the way (Ain't got da money!)
do not archive the preceeding humor.
Chris , Susie Darcy wrote:
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> From Vans
Unfortunately, you have one of the QB fuselages that the Philippines
messed up. Your only option is to remove the parts that are not
assembled according to instructions and fix them. We have since
gotten them to build the baggage door area correctly, but that doesn't
help you. We apologize for their oversight and the extra work that it
has caused you.
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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Been there done that!! QB this time!!
Chris
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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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In a message dated 5/11/06 5:29:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, VHMUM(at)bigpond.com writes:
| Quote: | Unfortunately, you have one of the QB fuselages that the
Philippines messed up. Your only option is to remove the parts
that are not assembled according to instructions and fix them. We
have since gotten them to build the baggage door area correctly,
but that doesn't help you. We apologize for their oversight and the
extra work that it has caused you.
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I'm not an attorney but it would seem to me that if Van's is admittingthey made a mistake as they are the prime contractor then they should have recalled the product and replaced it with a quality product and/or paid the people who are fixing the poor product compensation.
This above paragraph has a funny smell to it.
Patrick
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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No Offense, but it is quite clear you're no attorney. I'm no attorney either, but I would politely suggest you have a good look at the boring fine print. You yourself assess the suitability of the product. In addition there's a bit on the Van's website, legel terms point 7.
Let us no forget that the compensation attitude has priced most factory built aircraft out of reach for many people. Don't fall into this trap again and let the same happen to the kitbuilt market. I'm sure that Van's is happy enough to send this guy the parts free of charge to rectify the problem. In the overall size of the project it will make little to no difference to replace those parts.
Marcel
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: QB bagage door seal angle |
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In a message dated 5/12/06 8:54:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, deruiteraircraftservices(at)btinternet.com writes:
| Quote: | In addition there's a bit on the Van's web site, legal terms point 7.
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Marcel, just because they write a disclaimer does not make it legal..its just their and their attorney's belief that the statement covers something..it is a court or jury's opinion...that's what counts.
If they make something out of spec and sell it, it's not caveat emptor..it seems to me that they are lacking QA control on a fairly important item...that control is not in the clients hands, but you are relying on them to provideyou with the product as specified, if they don't do that then they need to recall that product and provide you with the quality specified or make sometype of replacement/compensation etc.
Having their customer rework their QA issue is OK as long as you've been notified that the product you are receiving is out of spec...They havethe ability to QA the product in the Philippines, at port, at shipping point etc before releasing it...you the buyer only when it arrives and you begin working on it. I don't believe there is a lot of case law on their side, and I dealt with QA issues for decades...your boiler plate can contain all kinds of statement that will not hold up in court to discourage some people from taking action..it's part of the game. But boiler plates generally do not protect a manufacturer quality/warranty/liability issues IMHO. Mileage may vary.
It's sort of like saying...we've got a problem...the people in my plant are making crap, but I sold it to you and now it's your problem...have a nice day.
I don't mean to take a brush out and paint but the statement from Van's did not sound very customer friendly, it did explain what happened and what they've done since. As long as all are happy then that's a good thing that they are open and frank about the problem.
I wish I could have used the same statement when we made off spec product, but I was dealing with a closed group of customers and our reputation wouldhave gone in the "community" pot if we had taken this type of attitude. My plant goofed up a bit but it now your problem...I really don't know how poor the product was before they made the correction, maybe it was somewhat minor but their comment sure was interesting, none the less.
Patrick
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