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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: Program Letter

Copy, Mark. Program letter is already in the A/C's  don't do tail slides anyway. All it represents to is out of airspeed, out of energy, out of options, and out of ideas making for a nice big fat target for a guns snap shot. Why waste an Atoll or an AIM 9 when a wall of 20 mm will do?!

guess what I'm saying is I could care less about tail slides. ;^))

doc



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On May 25, 2011, at 5:22 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 No Hoopla.  Put the copy in your airplane and DOC!   DON'T DO ANY TAIL SLIDES EITHER!   

 

 

 Mark

 

 

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f4ffm2(at)roadrunner.com
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: Program Letter

I think Jim's "helpful guy" is crossing Group boundaries...just as you said.  I've gone through all that many moons ago with an FAA inspector that was really convinced that such a printed maintenance program was absolutely required.  I showed him the 800 h.p. boundary reg. and he agreed....but it seemed that it was up to me to educate him.  Perhaps that is what Jim is gonna' have to do with his FAA guy.

Roger Baker____________________________________________

On May 25, 2011, at 6:06 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:

[quote] 

 Jim,

 I read the new OL's completely and I don't see anything that says you have to submit a printed maintenance program to the FAA for the group your aircraft is certificated in.  I do see a maintenance program/inspection program requirement for the larger airplanes and jets as specified in paragraph 29.    But not for Group 2.  Am I missing something or is your FSDO guy crossing Group boundaries?

 As for the requirement to list in the program letter who is responsible for the maintenance of the airplane, that should not be an issue.  Most everyone will list themselves unless they have a mechanic that does the work for them.

 Dennis

 On 5/25/2011 2:36 PM, Jim Griffin wrote:

> I recently talked to my FSDO about changing my 300 mile limits. He is a helpful guy and sent me a copy of what the new op limits look like on someone elses plane. In it, the program letter must list who is responsible for maintenance for the plane. He also asked me for a printed maintenance program. I have included a copy. Check paragraph 3.

> Jim Griffin

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Rich Langer

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Posts: 26
Location: Florida

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Program Letter

O.K. Just one more question on this topic. What advantage is there to have the 300/600 mi. limitation removed from your O.L.'s? You still have to bring the program letter with amendments with you, and you still have to fax any updates to your events list and have that with you. What am I missing?

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: Program Letter

The advantage is you don't have to be attending an event of any sort to 

go beyond the 300 mile proficiency area.  You can simply fly the 

airplane anywhere you want to without having to be going to an event if 

it is outside the 300 NM proficiency area.



If you're attending an EVENT that is not on your program letter, yes you 

still have to send a fax to the FSDO regardless of whether it is/was 

inside or outside of the 300 NM proficiency area.  This is also true if 

the 300 NM area is removed. But if your just going to visit your 

relatives 800 miles away, you can do it without wondering if you'll get 

ramped checked at your destination and be asked what event you're 

attending and then having to show your Program Letter or amendment copy 

with the "event" on it.

Dennis



On 5/26/2011 7:59 AM, Rich Langer wrote:

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 O.K. Just one more question on this topic. What advantage is there to have the 300/600 mi. limitation removed from your O.L.'s? You still have to bring the program letter with amendments with you, and you still have to fax any updates to your events list and have that with you. What am I missing?





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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341091#341091

thomasg(at)infosysnetwork
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:44 am Post subject: Program Letter

So what defines an EVENT? 

Last week Virginia Beach had their Warbirds over the Beach. Is that an event that I would have to notify the FAA of even if it was within my 300nm area? How about a fly-in? How about people that live within 300nm of Oshkosh? Do they have to have that listed on their Program Letter?



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William Halverson

Joined: 27 Feb 2010
Posts: 88

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: Program Letter

Insurance?



To fly a a/c or to participate in an event that requires it?



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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:13 am Post subject: Program Letter

Yes, unfortunately, you do have to notify them even if it is within the 

300 NM (assuming your OL's have not been updated).  Many people believe 

(including me at one time) that if an event was within the 300 NM area 

you didn't have to notify the FSDO.   I was told to read the OL's and 

note there is no distinction regarding event distances.   In other 

words, regardless of the distance from your home base, any event you 

attend must either be on your annual program letter or sent to the FSDO 

as an amendment to the program letter.



Event is any activity where the aircraft will be exhibited or on display.

Dennis



On 5/26/2011 8:40 AM, Thomas Geoghegan wrote:

[quote] 



 So what defines an EVENT?

 Last week Virginia Beach had their Warbirds over the Beach. Is that an event that I would have to notify the FAA of even if it was within my 300nm area? How about a fly-in? How about people that live within 300nm of Oshkosh? Do they have to have that listed on their Program Letter?



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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
Guest

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:17 am Post subject: Program Letter

I'm not aware of any insurance requirements by the FAA.  Some airshows 

may require proof of liability insurance.  Your policy may state 

fly-by's are permitted and included in the policy coverage.   It would 

be best to discuss this issue with your insurance agent.

Dennis



On 5/26/2011 9:01 AM, William Halverson wrote:

[quote] 

 Insurance?



 To fly a a/c or to participate in an event that requires it?



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:18 am Post subject: Program Letter

My Yak-50 doesn't have guns Doc, ... my UTVA-66 however is fully

equipped for light machine guns, rockets, and up to 350 pounds of bombs

on each wing hardpoint.   



That said, I'm interested in doing anything I haven't already done.  I'm

also interested in learning how to do better,  what I already can. 



Mark

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markdavis(at)wbsnet.org
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:39 am Post subject: Program Letter

Received this response from the Wichita FSDO.



Mark Davis

N44YK



Mark,



There is no change to the program letter or it's requirements.



There also was no change to the operating limitations.  There is no need to 

change them unless you make some kind of major change to the aircraft or its 

location.



Thanks for being on top of things out there.

Richard F. Stevens



Rick Stevens

Principal Aviation Safety Inspector

Airworthiness

Wichita Flight Standards District Office ACE-07

1801 Airport Road Suite 300

Wichita, KS 67209

Phone: 316-941-1260

Fax: 316-941-1276

Richard.Stevens(at)faa.gov



      From:  "Mark Davis" <markdavis(at)wbsnet.org>



      To:  Richard Stevens/ACE/FAA(at)FAA

      Date:  05/25/2011 10:56 AM

      Subject:  FAA 8130.2G

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Rick,

      I just discovered that 8130.2F has been replaced by 8130.2G.  Is there 

anything I need to do on the operating limitations or program letter for my 

YAK 52, N44YK?  If so is it something I can do when I send in my program 

letter for next year?



Thanks for you help as always!

Mark Davis

Clear Blue Skies, LLC

Syracuse, KS

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