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Tim Olson
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Am currently about 36nm from the center of the DC SFRA. Right wing points to DC. Left has my archer nav. I'm at 3000', well high enough.
Perfect signal on my SL-30 with whiskers. No signal on my 480, shadowed by the plane. Not good for being so close to F-16 territory.
Tim
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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As long as you fly around the SFRA in a left hand pattern, should be no problem.  How much time does one spend flying perpendicular to the VOR radials?
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Am currently about 36nm from the center of the DC SFRA. Right wing points to DC. Left has my archer nav. I'm at 3000', well high enough.
Perfect signal on my SL-30 with whiskers. No signal on my 480, shadowed by the plane. Not good for being so close to F-16 territory.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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I know, I know. . But yeah, I was pretty ticked that it wasn't reading because my 480 has a nice mileage readout of distance to station and I use it to cross check myself. I wanted to guarantee I was outside the SFRA and was shocked that even 36nm from station it didn't work. Later in the flight at a different angle it started reading at 36nm again.
I think using VOR's as cross check is still a good idea, and with the 480, it is nice because I can easily call and give FSS / atc my position from the vor without a bunch of dialing around as long as I was prepared.
Tim
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[quote]As long as you fly around the SFRA in a left hand pattern, should be no problem. How much time does one spend flying perpendicular to the VOR radials?
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dmaib@me.com
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Sold on whiskers |
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I have my whiskers mounted under the tail (like Tim). I have a diplexer (or maybe a triplexer??) so my SL-30 and my 430W both use the same antenna. The performance is fantastic. I routinely pick up VOR signals on the SL-30 more than 90 miles out at cruising altitudes and 60 or 70 miles out on the 430W. LOC/GS reception is great on both radios, as well.
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If you have a 430 and an SL-30 I am guessing a Triplexer such as
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/comant505.php
The 430 has separate inputs for GS and NAV so it need those two split
out where as the SL-30 has that built in so only has a single NAV/GS input.
-Sean #40303 (panel schtuff)
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I have my whiskers mounted under the tail (like Tim). I have a diplexer (or maybe a triplexer??) so my SL-30 and my 430W both use the same antenna. The performance is fantastic. I routinely pick up VOR signals on the SL-30 more than 90 miles out at cruising altitudes and 60 or 70 miles out on the 430W. LOC/GS reception is great on both radios, as well.
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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Perhaps it would make sense to switch which antenna connect to which radio.
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| Quote: | I know, I know. . But yeah, I was pretty ticked that it wasn't reading because my 480 has a nice mileage readout of distance to station and I use it to cross check myself. I wanted to guarantee I was outside the SFRA and was shocked that even 36nm from station it didn't work. Later in the flight at a different angle it started reading at 36nm again.
I think using VOR's as cross check is still a good idea, and with the 480, it is nice because I can easily call and give FSS / atc my position from the vor without a bunch of dialing around as long as I was prepared.
Tim
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| Quote: | As long as you fly around the SFRA in a left hand pattern, should be no problem. How much time does one spend flying perpendicular to the VOR radials?
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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Nah...if I have to choose, the one that goes to my cheltons (SL-30) will win every time. But the 480 makes an awesome Nav/com.
Tim
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Kellym
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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Or use a diplexer to feed both nav radios with the cat whiskers.
On 6/13/2011 8:23 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
| Quote: | Nah...if I have to choose, the one that goes to my cheltons (SL-30)
will win every time. But the 480 makes an awesome Nav/com.
Tim
On Jun 13, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com
<mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
> Perhaps it would make sense to switch which antenna connect to which
> radio.
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> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com
> <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:
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> I know, I know. . But yeah, I was pretty ticked that it wasn't
> reading because my 480 has a nice mileage readout of distance to
> station and I use it to cross check myself. I wanted to
> guarantee I was outside the SFRA and was shocked that even 36nm
> from station it didn't work. Later in the flight at a different
> angle it started reading at 36nm again.
> I think using VOR's as cross check is still a good idea, and with
> the 480, it is nice because I can easily call and give FSS / atc
> my position from the vor without a bunch of dialing around as
> long as I was prepared.
> Tim
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> On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com
> <mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> As long as you fly around the SFRA in a left hand pattern,
>> should be no problem. How much time does one spend flying
>> perpendicular to the VOR radials?
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>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com
>> <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:
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>> <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>>
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>> Am currently about 36nm from the center of the DC SFRA.
>> Right wing points to DC. Left has my archer nav. I'm at
>> 3000', well high enough.
>> Perfect signal on my SL-30 with whiskers. No signal on my
>> 480, shadowed by the plane. Not good for being so close to
>> F-16 territory.
>> Tim
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Nick Leonard
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Sold on whiskers |
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I'm not an expert on this subject but...when splitting one nav antenna to a 430w and a SL30, my avionics shop said the triplexer would not work very well.
As I understand it, the standard duplex and triplex splitters are a narrow band splitters, which will work well for just the 430W but the SL30 needs the broadband for its internal splitter. Garmin makes a special broadband splitter just for the SL30 and now the new touch panel units also require it because they also have an internal splitter (instead of the separate nav and G/S antenna inputs).
From the broadband duplex splitter with one leg to the SL30, I will be using the standard duplex splitter to feed the 430W nav and G/S inputs.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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Nick, you have part numbers? I am unable to locate the broadband
splitter you mention on Garmin's site. Maybe the Garmin 013-00112-00
(http://www.avionicsmall.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=8183)?
If that is the one, then I assume from one output of that you are using
a standard diplexer such as CI-507
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php) to feed
the 430 and the other output direct to the SL-30?
Now I am curious as to David's mention above. David, what part # are
you using?
-Sean #40303
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I'm not an expert on this subject but...when splitting one nav antenna to a 430w and a SL30, my avionics shop said the triplexer would not work very well.
As I understand it, the standard duplex and triplex splitters are a narrow band splitters, which will work well for just the 430W but the SL30 needs the broadband for its internal splitter. Garmin makes a special broadband splitter just for the SL30 and now the new touch panel units also require it because they also have an internal splitter (instead of the separate nav and G/S antenna inputs).
> From the broadband duplex splitter with one leg to the SL30, I will be using the standard duplex splitter to feed the 430W nav and G/S inputs.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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Sean,
I don't have the info on the part I have installed, here at home. The
original triplexer(?) I had installed never worked very well.
Sarasota Avionics did some work for me a couple of years ago and
installed the unit I have now. I will get the info in the next day or
two and post it on this forum.
David Maib
40559
Flying
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Nick, you have part numbers? I am unable to locate the broadband
splitter you mention on Garmin's site. Maybe the Garmin
013-00112-00 (http://www.avionicsmall.com/index.php?
main_page=product_info&products_id=8183)?
If that is the one, then I assume from one output of that you are
using a standard diplexer such as CI-507 (http://
www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php) to feed the
430 and the other output direct to the SL-30?
Now I am curious as to David's mention above. David, what part #
are you using?
-Sean #40303
On 6/15/11 6:06 PM, Nick Leonard wrote:
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> I'm not an expert on this subject but...when splitting one nav
> antenna to a 430w and a SL30, my avionics shop said the triplexer
> would not work very well.
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> As I understand it, the standard duplex and triplex splitters are
> a narrow band splitters, which will work well for just the 430W
> but the SL30 needs the broadband for its internal splitter.
> Garmin makes a special broadband splitter just for the SL30 and
> now the new touch panel units also require it because they also
> have an internal splitter (instead of the separate nav and G/S
> antenna inputs).
>
> > From the broadband duplex splitter with one leg to the SL30, I
> will be using the standard duplex splitter to feed the 430W nav
> and G/S inputs.
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> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Sold on whiskers |
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Well if Tim comes up with the part # while flying around the SFRA, I'll truly be impressed.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:11 am Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for 6.10/FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid.
Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5.
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Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade.
Tim
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Tim,
What's with the spalled paint in front of the trim tab cable attachments?
Is there a problem with cracking or flexing?
Hoping you'll chip in to the discussion about door seals and tell us that
the Van's one is just fine and super easy to install. Irrational optimism I
know .........
And hoping this makes you feel any better, think about 2.50 Swiss
francs/litre (=8.7 $/FG) next time you get gas as cheap as 6.10
Enjoy the rest of your trip!
Gordon
#41015 QB wing & fuse inventory, emp fairings and whiskers
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Tim,
Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS
mount?
Steven Stella
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:45 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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Same place I have mine mounted, and they work just great there.
grumpy
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
> Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for 6.10/FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: Sold on whiskers |
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On that paint, we tried to paint those tabs as light as possible,
and when you combined the too-thin paint job with a crappy job
of prep on that area, that's what you get. That and around
the base of the cowl are my worst areas.
As far as door seals go, I was happy with Van's seal. It's a
nice grey silicone that matches the plane, it went on fine,
and it's held up well except for where I punctured it near
the front door pin holes. And even then, I siliconed it
back together and it's fine. It seals real well. Yes, it's
a very tight fit, and I'm sure someone has done it better,
but I've been happy enough that I would probably do it
all over again the same way. I prefer the seal on the door
to the seal on the airframe, too...which isn't a universal
preference.
Got home from the trip just fine. Now no big trips for
a while again, but the next one I think will have to
be back to the Bahamas. When flying along at 8,500'
today, the Bahamas was where my mind was...that is the
best place to fly that I've been and I can't wait to go
back.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 6/17/2011 1:21 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote:
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Tim,
What's with the spalled paint in front of the trim tab cable attachments?
Is there a problem with cracking or flexing?
Hoping you'll chip in to the discussion about door seals and tell us that
the Van's one is just fine and super easy to install. Irrational optimism I
know .........
And hoping this makes you feel any better, think about 2.50 Swiss
francs/litre (=8.7 $/FG) next time you get gas as cheap as 6.10
Enjoy the rest of your trip!
Gordon
#41015 QB wing& fuse inventory, emp fairings and whiskers
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Mine is just the same ol' standard one.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 6/17/2011 2:17 PM, Steve Stella wrote:
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Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS
mount?
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