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 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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That's right, F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) doors!!
Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at)
doors closed" Watson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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I feel your pain, man!
Steve Weinstock
40230, finishing kit
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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Kelly
The doors build character.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-06-16, at 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that point. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latching. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project.
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson <[url=mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com]Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)[/url]> wrote:
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That's right, F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) doors!!
Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) doors closed" Watson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution
Question? Are you kidding? If there was one thing I would never do again it’s use the cheezy Vans stripping. Can’t say that for all that many items, but there is no question about it, cheezy is out!!
Took me about 3 months to get the doors right, lots of reshaping was involved, all after using the rubber sealing. Don’t do it man!!
Pascal “ready to put the wings on and fly once I finish everything else” Reid
From: Kelly McMullen (apilot2(at)gmail.com)
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Subject: Re: F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) Doors
Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that point. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latching. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project.
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
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That's right, F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) doors!!
Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) doors closed" Watson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and he will be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit I made by spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit is so good that all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint will chip because there is no room for it.
I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top meet and leave it unpainted.
I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell if I will let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well.
From: kearney(at)shaw.ca
Subject: Re: F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) Doors
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:29:24 -0400
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Kelly
The doors build character.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-06-16, at 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that point. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latching. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project.
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson < (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:33 am Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher, Schempp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider.
I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks good.... once I get the F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) doors closed again after applying some aesthetically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing.
Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session with the itching powder" Watson
On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: [quote] Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and he will be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit I made by spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit is so good that all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint will chip because there is no room for it.
I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top meet and leave it unpainted.
I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell if I will let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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Bill,
I would be interested in seeing photos of your door trim. Are they on your kitlog site? I'm in the process of determining how to finish my sorts.
Thanks
Bob
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote] It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher, Schempp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider.
I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks good.... once I get the F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) doors closed again after applying some aesthetically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing.
Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session with the itching powder" Watson
On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: | Quote: | Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and he will be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit I made by spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit is so good that all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint will chip because there is no room for it.
I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top meet and leave it unpainted.
I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell if I will let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well.
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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:57 am Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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I don't think I have a lot out there, but probably have quite a few pics. I'm willing to share but it may be tough until next week.
In particular, if you have a green top, I think I can share quite a bit. The final result is looking good but every aspect has been done several times over.
I'll try to get something together or give me a call anytime.
Bill "shop cleaned, FG tools out, ready to rumble one more time" Watson
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On 6/17/2011 7:56 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: [quote] Bill,
I would be interested in seeing photos of your door trim. Are they on your kitlog site? I'm in the process of determining how to finish my sorts.
Thanks
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher, Schempp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider.
I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks good.... once I get the F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) doors closed again after applying some aesthetically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing.
Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session with the itching powder" Watson
On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: | Quote: | Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and he will be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit I made by spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit is so good that all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint will chip because there is no room for it.
I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top meet and leave it unpainted.
I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell if I will let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well.
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deej(at)deej.net
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:39 am Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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On 06/16/2011 11:29 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
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...and here I thought we were talking about a bunch of characters
building doors... *wink*
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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Bill -
Since you live in the middle of NASCAR country, you could just forego the
doors and install webbing exit nets...
neal
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:53 am Post subject: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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Is it just the flimsiness of the gray Vans seal that people object to? That's what bothered me, so I went with a AS-acquired seal that was the same dimensions as Vans, but was more of a foam-rubber-like material, in black. Think it was called luggage door seal. Very solid and keeps its shape well. Takes more effort to close, but not unreasonable. Seems like it will hold up well too. It kept the modifications to the door and frame to a minimum.
Course, I'm not flying yet, so YMMV.
Dwight
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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Dwight,
Do you have a link to AS item number?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Space Cadet <Dwight(at)drefs.net (Dwight(at)drefs.net)> wrote:
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Is it just the flimsiness of the gray Vans seal that people object to? That's what bothered me, so I went with a AS-acquired seal that was the same dimensions as Vans, but was more of a foam-rubber-like material, in black. Think it was called luggage door seal. Very solid and keeps its shape well. Takes more effort to close, but not unreasonable. Seems like it will hold up well too. It kept the modifications to the door and frame to a minimum.
Course, I'm not flying yet, so YMMV.
Dwight
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:37 am Post subject: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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After longer than I want to admit, I am at the final stages of fitting the doors! Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisfactory fit by using clear packing tape on the Jams, hair spray as a release agent, then used flox with the west systems and filled the jams with the doors closed. This allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not the jams. Then meticulously hand and until you get the gap you want. No doubt the doors SUCK!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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I've been building up my door/jam fittings with leftover epoxy/superfil/glaze from the buildup of the windshield fillet. I use two mating layers of peel ply to keep from sticking and leave a gap for paint etc. I just goop up a section at a time and close the door to let them mate to each other.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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That's definitely the way to get the gap right. I think I did that 2
years ago....but I'm still tweaking other aspect of the F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at)
Doors.
I hope YMMV.
Bill "finished the grind and remounting the doors for the nth time" Watson
On 6/17/2011 11:37 AM, rwwende wrote:
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After longer than I want to admit, I am at the final stages of fitting the doors! Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisfactory fit by using clear packing tape on the Jams, hair spray as a release agent, then used flox with the west systems and filled the jams with the doors closed. This allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not the jams. Then meticulously hand and until you get the gap you want. No doubt the doors SUCK!
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
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There is a reason I burried the tops of the screws on the cabin top and the doors...the only way my doors are coming off is if I forget to latch them and they go off into the wild blue yonder.
Once you get the fit perfect, it might be suicide to remove them for paiinting, that is unless you really like the process of getting the fit perfect all over again.
Me...not!
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From: Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at) Doors
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That's definitely the way to get the gap right. I think I did that 2
years ago....but I'm still tweaking other aspect of the F!!#(at)#$(at)#$#%$#(at)
Doors.
I hope YMMV.
Bill "finished the grind and remounting the doors for the nth time" Watson
On 6/17/2011 11:37 AM, rwwende wrote:
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> After longer than I want to admit, I am at the final stages of fitting the doors! Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisfactory fit by using clear packing tape on the Jams, hair spray as a release agent, then used flox with the west systems and filled the jams with the doors closed. This allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not the jams. Then meticulously hand and until you get the gap you want. No doubt the doors SUCK!
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