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harley(at)AgelessWings.co
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Time to replace my 20+ year old Telex headsets.  Been looking around     and am interested in the Nav Data headset (     www.navdatakneeboard.com/index.html ). ANR is not necessary, as I'll     modify my headset to ANR if I feel I need it (Headsets Inc.).  

     

     So these seem like a pretty good choice. The price is right, and     judging by the information, they are a US company (Florida).  They     are being sold at ACS, Tropicaero, The Pilot shop and several other     pilot supply stores.  

     

     But I can't find any reviews on them.  Has anyone any experience     with them?  Or know anyone who has?

     Or opinions? 

     

     Harley Dixon

     Long EZ N28EZ

     Canandaigua, NY

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SteveR

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 226
Location: Aledo, TX

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Harley,



 At that price, I would be shocked if they were American made or of good 

 quality.  All of the headsets in that price range seem to fall apart in 

 a few years with moderate use.



 I'd recommend a David Clark 13.4.  You can add ANR later, and those 

 headsets are absurdly sturdy.  Of the five headsets I have, two are 

 David Clarks, they have more use than the other three headsets I have 

 but the DCs are the only ones that have never broken.  My Lightspeed 15K 

 has been sent to Lightspeed several times and now they no longer make 

 several of the replacement parts, so next time it breaks I guess it goes 

 in the trash.  If a David Clark headset does break you can send it to 

 them and they'll often fix it free of charge.  On Ebay, nearly new 13.4s 

 go for less than $200.  New they are less than $300.



 My guess is that the NavData headset is just a re-badged cheap headset 

 from a foreign manufacturer.  It looks identical to the "SHS880C", the 

 weight and noise reduction are identical to the 10th of an ounce.  I 

 think the SHS is Korean made.

 http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Aviation/SHS880C-Aviation-HeadSet.htm

 My opinion...the cheap headset will cost you more than a sturdy David 

 Clark...and you have to deal with the inconvenience of it breaking when 

 you need it.



 Steve Ruse

 Norman, OK

 On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:48:15 -0400, Harley <harley(at)agelesswings.com> 

 wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Time to replace my 20+ year old Telex headsets. Been looking

 around and am interested in the Nav Data headset (

 www.navdatakneeboard.com/index.html [1] ). ANR is not necessary, as

 I'll modify my headset to ANR if I feel I need it (Headsets Inc.).



  So these seem like a pretty good choice. The price is right, and

 judging by the information, they are a US company (Florida). They are

 being sold at ACS, Tropicaero, The Pilot shop and several other pilot

 supply stores.



  But I can't find any reviews on them. Has anyone any experience with

 them? Or know anyone who has?

  Or opinions?



  Harley Dixon

  Long EZ N28EZ

  Canandaigua, NY





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longg(at)pjm.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:20 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

I find headsets to be the biggest marketing gimmick since spark plugs and sneakers. Do you folks remember when we used the Mic? Ok, yes, they are comfy, cut off important engine noises you should hear and sell lots of magazine advertising, but for the poor sap that fly's 35 hours/year, one doesn't need a $300-$1000.00 set of ear muffs.



If it works, suits the mission and your ears don't look like cherries when you get home, it's probably worth saving a few bucks or at least carrying as a spare.



Glenn



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harley(at)AgelessWings.co
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Thanks for the comment, Glenn...Now that's my kinda thinking...those     old Telex's I have fit this description exactly, only ran me about     $65 back then and they've been fine...just decided it's time to     replace them. 

     

     Harley

     

     On 6/23/2011 11:17 AM, longg(at)pjm.com (longg(at)pjm.com) wrote:     [quote]        	  Quote: 	
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I find headsets to be the biggest marketing gimmick since spark plugs and sneakers. Do you folks remember when we used the Mic? Ok, yes, they are comfy, cut off important engine noises you should hear and sell lots of magazine advertising, but for the poor sap that fly's 35 hours/year, one doesn't need a $300-$1000.00 set of ear muffs.



If it works, suits the mission and your ears don't look like cherries when you get home, it's probably worth saving a few bucks or at least carrying as a spare.



Glenn 	
       

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deej(at)deej.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:47 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

On 06/23/2011 11:17 AM, longg(at)pjm.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Do you folks remember when we used the Mic? Ok, yes, they are comfy, cut off important engine noises you should hear and sell lots of magazine advertising, but for the poor sap that fly's 35 hours/year, one doesn't need a $300-$1000.00 set of ear muffs.


	


	

	I wonder if we took a survey, how many of those people now have hearing

loss?



	$300 spent so that I can still hear when I get to retirement age seems

like a pretty good investment to me.



	I can wear the $100 headset I have for about a half an hour before I

start getting a headache.  I have worn my Bose headset for over 8 hours

in a day (two 4 hour flights, back to back with a small break in

between), and at the end of the day I still barely noticed it was there.

 I consider the $950 Bose headset one of the best values I've made in

aviation purchases.  I've been using them for about 8 years now, so

that's roughly $118 per year at present, with the cost decreasing and

the value received increasing every day.



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:15 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Good Afternoon Dj,

  

 I am afraid I am one of those who flew for well over fifty years without  using any ear protection. 

  

 I DO now have a considerable hearing loss. 

  

 About fifteen years ago, I bought Bose Headsets for my airplane. Just wish  I had started sooner! 

  

 Not only are my ears protected, I now comfortably communicate with my  passengers. Something that could only be done by shouting in years past.

  

 A good set of noise canceling headsets is the cheapest, lightest, and  most efficient way to get a comfortable environment in any airplane. It beats  thick windshields and massive insulation.  As you said. The noise canceling  headsets are not expensive, they are cheap when compared to other methods of  sound attenuation.

  

 Happy Skies,

  

 Old Bob

  

  In a message dated 6/23/2011 12:48:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  deej(at)deej.net writes:

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On 06/23/2011 11:17 AM, longg(at)pjm.com    wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Do you folks remember when we used the Mic? Ok, yes, they    are comfy, cut off important engine noises you should hear and sell lots of    magazine advertising, but for the poor sap that fly's 35 hours/year, one    doesn't need a $300-$1000.00 set of ear muffs.


	


    

       I wonder if we took a survey, how many of those people now have    hearing

loss?



    $300 spent so that I can still hear when    I get to retirement age seems

like a pretty good investment to    me.



    I can wear the $100 headset I have for about a half    an hour before I

start getting a headache.  I have worn my Bose    headset for over 8 hours

in a day (two 4 hour flights, back to back with a    small break in

between), and at the end of the day I still barely noticed    it was there.

I consider the $950 Bose headset one of the best values I've    made in

aviation purchases.  I've been using them for about 8 years    now, so

that's roughly $118 per year at present, with the cost decreasing    and

the value received increasing every day.



-Dj



-- 

Dj    Merrill - N1JOV

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ -    http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH -    http://deej.net/glastar/





	


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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

I belong to an Aviation club where the average membership age is 68.  Most of the members over 50 begin pursuit of hearing aids from the flights back in the 60's & 70's.

  



  John Cox



 

  From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Dj Merrill

Sent: Thu 6/23/2011 10:42 AM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Nav Data Headsets

  

--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>



On 06/23/2011 11:17 AM, longg(at)pjm.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Do you folks remember when we used the Mic? Ok, yes, they are comfy, cut off important engine noises you should hear and sell lots of magazine advertising, but for the poor sap that fly's 35 hours/year, one doesn't need a $300-$1000.00 set of ear muffs.


	


       

        I wonder if we took a survey, how many of those people now have hearing

loss?



        $300 spent so that I can still hear when I get to retirement age seems

like a pretty good investment to me.



        I can wear the $100 headset I have for about a half an hour before I

start getting a headache.  I have worn my Bose headset for over 8 hours

in a day (two 4 hour flights, back to back with a small break in

between), and at the end of the day I still barely noticed it was there.

 I consider the $950 Bose headset one of the best values I've made in

aviation purchases.  I've been using them for about 8 years now, so

that's roughly $118 per year at present, with the cost decreasing and

the value received increasing every day.



-Dj



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Dj Merrill - N1JOV

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://www.Same great content also available via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Yes, but many of us lost our high frequency hearing courtesy of that 

little distraction we had occupying the lives of high school graduates, 

brought to us by Ike, JFK, LBJ and Tricky Dick. Flying was one of the 

few pleasurable things we could do while waiting for the next set of 

orders to proceed to the nearest flight across the Pacific. Only benefit 

is VA providing the hearing aids gratis.



On 6/23/2011 4:49 PM, John Cox wrote:

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		   I belong to an Aviation club where the average membership age is 68.  

 Most of the members over 50 begin pursuit of hearing aids from the 

 flights back in the 60's & 70's.

 John Cox



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 Merrill

 *Sent:* Thu 6/23/2011 10:42 AM

 *To:* aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: Nav Data Headsets



 



 On 06/23/2011 11:17 AM, longg(at)pjm.com wrote:



 > Do you folks remember when we used the Mic? Ok, yes, they are comfy, 

 cut off important engine noises you should hear and sell lots of 

 magazine advertising, but for the poor sap that fly's 35 hours/year, 

 one doesn't need a $300-$1000.00 set of ear muffs.

         I wonder if we took a survey, how many of those people now 

 have hearing

 loss?



         $300 spent so that I can still hear when I get to retirement 

 age seems

 like a pretty good investment to me.



         I can wear the $100 headset I have for about a half an hour 

 before I

 start getting a headache.  I have worn my Bose headset for over 8 hours

 in a day (two 4 hour flights, back to back with a small break in

 between), and at the end of the day I still barely noticed it was there.

  I consider the $950 Bose headset one of the best values I've made in

 aviation purchases.  I've been using them for about 8 years now, so

 that's roughly $118 per year at present, with the cost decreasing and

 the value received increasing every day.



 -Dj



 --

 Dj Merrill - N1JOV

 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

 Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://www.Same great content also available 

 via the Web 

 href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com 

 <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List>

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 List 

 href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=================



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harley(at)AgelessWings.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:22 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Thank you, Kelly...I agree...

     

     I think it's a little naive to blame all hearing loss in pilots on     flying/headsets (or lack of). A little more than a quarter of the     people I know that are older than me (70+) have hearing aids, and     NONE of them ever flew (including my dad who just started wearing     one last year at age 96) other than in commercial planes.  

     

     In fact, at age 69, my hearing is fine...despite a life of race     cars, rock bands, motorcycles, and, oh yes, flying...the majority of     the time with NO headsets! And, I was in an artillery battalion in     the 60s...nothing like an 8" gun going off right next to you!

     

     There are many reasons for hearing loss...and many people who don't     have any despite what one may have considered risky behavior in     their lives.  

     

     Harley

          [quote]-->       AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen       <kellym(at)aviating.com> (kellym(at)aviating.com)       

       

       

       Yes, but many of us lost our high frequency hearing courtesy of       that little distraction we had occupying the lives of high school       graduates, brought to us by Ike, JFK, LBJ and Tricky Dick. Flying       was one of the few pleasurable things we could do while waiting       for the next set of orders to proceed to the nearest flight across       the Pacific. Only benefit is VA providing the hearing aids gratis.       

       

       On 6/23/2011 4:49 PM, John Cox wrote:       

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		  I belong to an Aviation club where the         average membership age is 68.  Most of the members over 50 begin         pursuit of hearing aids from the flights back in the 60's &         70's.         

         John Cox         

         

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malannx(at)bigpond.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:40 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

I use a homemade headset similar to the Clarity Aloft using the mic and 

preamp of an old headset and these little beauties: 

http://www.cep-usa.com/id23.htm  They place the speaker in your ear canal 

with a foam tip attached-very quiet and comfortable. I have significant 

hearing loss and wear hearings aids and the homemade set is the only one I 

have confidence in talking to ATC. My other headset is a Telex Stratus 50D 

and my wife uses Bose. For clarity I rate my homemade set No 1, the Telex No 

2 and the Bose No 3. For quietness Bose No 1, 50D No 2, Mine No 3. Comfort 

Mine No 1, 50D No 2, Bose No 3( I have largish ears that don't fit that well 

in the small Bose cup) An inline pot controls volume. For amazing quiet I 

sometimes put the Telex over my homemade set.



Malcolm Ferguson

RV7ASask

Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 36

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Nav Data Headsets

Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: 

Quiet as an ANR headset

Clearer audio - critical to communication

Unbelievably lightweight 

Rugged design

Long-distance flying comfort

Inexpensive replacement ear tips

No head-squeeze

No sweaty earmuffs

No "bad hair" days

Easy to carry and pack

LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset 



My 2 cents

Regards

David Lamb

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:39 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:




Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve 

hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than 

the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a 

foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:

Quiet as an ANR headset

Clearer audio - critical to communication

Unbelievably lightweight

Rugged design

Long-distance flying comfort

Inexpensive replacement ear tips

No head-squeeze

No sweaty earmuffs

No "bad hair" days

Easy to carry and pack

LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset



     A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the

     radio with some local hams. One of them was needing

     a lightweight headset that would let him listen to

     a radio in a busy office (emergency operations

     center) but anything that pressed on or covered

     his ears was uncomfortable.



     We tossed around some ideas. After several passes

     at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds

     with nice foam seals. He said that he could not

     wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which

     they were designed but he fashioned a head band

     from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached

     to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.

     With simple manipulation of the wire, he could

     get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear

     canal without actually forcing anything into

     the ear. Since the seal to the outside world

     was still quite effective, noise attenuation

     was on a par with foam ear-plugs.



     The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db

     attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises

     to 1% or less. This combination of head-set

     and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,

     low cost and effective solution.



     Telex had a super-light headset way back when

     with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples

     to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were

     still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few

     months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept

     in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset

     but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to

     be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear

     them for more than an hour. Kept them many years

     as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier

     but very seldom needed them.



     The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance

     matching transformer to work well with the higher

     impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter

     study is needed.

   Bob . . .

andrew.d.zachar(at)gmail.
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:35 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

I did a DIY headset after studying some of the guys on vaf for awhile.



I haven't actually flown with it yet (or really figured out a good way to attach the microphone to my head), but initial tests with the impedance matching and volume control work well).

 



I use Klipsh S4 headphones with this setup, they are awesome in-ear headphones, cost $80 and are marketed (in consumer reviews) as sounding like the $300 audiophile in-ear headphones.

 Here's the link to my page describing the DIY portion: http://n999za.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/roll-your-own-in-ear-headset/.

 



I need to try them out in an RV to see how they'll work in my future rv-7.

-Andrew



On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

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 At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:

 --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV7ASask" <rv7alamb(at)sasktel.net (rv7alamb(at)sasktel.net)>

 

 Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:

  Quiet as an ANR headset

 Clearer audio - critical to communication

 Unbelievably lightweight

 Rugged design

 Long-distance flying comfort

 Inexpensive replacement ear tips

 No head-squeeze

 No sweaty earmuffs

 No "bad hair" days

 Easy to carry and pack

 LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset

 



     A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the

     radio with some local hams. One of them was needing

     a lightweight headset that would let him listen to

     a radio in a busy office (emergency operations

     center) but anything that pressed on or covered

     his ears was uncomfortable.

 

     We tossed around some ideas. After several passes

     at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds

     with nice foam seals. He said that he could not

     wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which

     they were designed but he fashioned a head band

     from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached

     to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.

     With simple manipulation of the wire, he could

     get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear

     canal without actually forcing anything into

     the ear. Since the seal to the outside world

     was still quite effective, noise attenuation

     was on a par with foam ear-plugs.

 

     The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db

     attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises

     to 1% or less. This combination of head-set

     and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,

     low cost and effective solution.

 

     Telex had a super-light headset way back when

     with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples

     to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were

     still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few

     months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept

     in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset

     but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to

     be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear

     them for more than an hour. Kept them many years

     as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier

     but very seldom needed them.

 

     The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance

     matching transformer to work well with the higher

     impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter

     study is needed.

 

 

   Bob . . . 



 

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Harley,

 

I have a Dave Clark 13.4 headset that is used but in fairly good condition that I’ll sell to you for $75 plus shipping.  It needs a new mic muff but has the Oregon Aero ear pad upgrade as well as the DC gel pads.

 

If interested respond off-line to johnciolino(at)comcast.net (johnciolino(at)comcast.net).

 

John Ciolino

 

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harley

Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:48 AM

To: CSA; aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Nav Data Headsets

 

Time to replace my 20+ year old Telex headsets.  Been looking around and am interested in the Nav Data headset ( www.navdatakneeboard.com/index.html ). ANR is not necessary, as I'll modify my headset to ANR if I feel I need it (Headsets Inc.).  



So these seem like a pretty good choice. The price is right, and judging by the information, they are a US company (Florida).  They are being sold at ACS, Tropicaero, The Pilot shop and several other pilot supply stores.  



But I can't find any reviews on them.  Has anyone any experience with them?  Or know anyone who has?

Or opinions? 



Harley Dixon

Long EZ N28EZ

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:28 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

On 06/24/2011 08:12 AM, RV7ASask wrote:

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 <rv7alamb(at)sasktel.net>

 

 Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve

 hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than

 the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a

 foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: Quiet as an ANR

 headset Clearer audio - critical to communication Unbelievably

 lightweight Rugged design Long-distance flying comfort Inexpensive

 replacement ear tips No head-squeeze No sweaty earmuffs No "bad hair"

 days Easy to carry and pack LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset

 

 My 2 cents Regards David Lamb


	


I bought two sets at Oshkosh a few years ago. My wife and I both love them.



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Dennis Golden

Golden Consulting Services, Inc.

LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

I have a 1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no mufflers on the engine).  The problem that I have is that the microphone picks up the noise.  If I turn the squelch up so it doesn't continuously pick up the noise, I have to shout to break the squelch.  Any solutions to this problem?

 Lynn Cole

LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net)

 



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At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:

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Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:

Quiet as an ANR headset

Clearer audio - critical to communication

Unbelievably lightweight

Rugged design

Long-distance flying comfort

Inexpensive replacement ear tips

No head-squeeze

No sweaty earmuffs

No "bad hair" days

Easy to carry and pack

LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset

    A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the

    radio with some local hams. One of them was needing

    a lightweight headset that would let him listen to

    a radio in a busy office (emergency operations

    center) but anything that pressed on or covered

    his ears was uncomfortable.

    We tossed around some ideas. After several passes

    at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds

    with nice foam seals. He said that he could not

    wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which

    they were designed but he fashioned a head band

    from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached

    to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.

    With simple manipulation of the wire, he could

    get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear

    canal without actually forcing anything into

    the ear. Since the seal to the outside world

    was still quite effective, noise attenuation

    was on a par with foam ear-plugs.

    The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db

    attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises

    to 1% or less. This combination of head-set

    and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,

    low cost and effective solution.

    Telex had a super-light headset way back when

    with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples

    to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were

    still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few

    months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept

    in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset

    but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to

    be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear

    them for more than an hour. Kept them many years

    as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier

    but very seldom needed them.

    The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance

    matching transformer to work well with the higher

    impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter

    study is needed.





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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Good Afternoon Lynn,

  

 Don't know if it will help, but I have a small leather sleeve that fits  over the boom mike. It has a couple of holes where the sound can get through.  That is what I use for my open cockpit Stearman. I am confident that my Stearman  is at least as noisy an environment as is your Cessna 140! <G>

  

 Not sure where I got the leather sleeves, but I kinda think they came  with the David Clark headsets used in my cloth helmets.

  

 You might give it a try.

  

 Happy Skies,

  

 Old Bob

  

 PS Which Fox Valley are you in?  There is one nearby my Downers Grove,  IL home.

  

  In a message dated 6/24/2011 3:35:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I have a    1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no mufflers on the engine).     The problem that I have is that the microphone picks up the noise.     If I turn the squelch up so it doesn't continuously pick up the noise, I    have to shout to break the squelch.  Any solutions to this problem?

      Lynn Cole

   LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net)

   



      On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

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     At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:

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     Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent      flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better      headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/      It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:

     Quiet as an ANR headset

     Clearer audio - critical to communication

     Unbelievably lightweight

     Rugged design

     Long-distance flying comfort

     Inexpensive replacement ear tips

     No head-squeeze

     No sweaty earmuffs

     No "bad hair" days

     Easy to carry and pack

     LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset

     



              A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the

              radio with some local hams. One of them was needing

              a lightweight headset that would let him listen to

              a radio in a busy office (emergency operations

              center) but anything that pressed on or covered

              his ears was uncomfortable.

     



              We tossed around some ideas. After several passes

              at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds

              with nice foam seals. He said that he could not

              wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which

              they were designed but he fashioned a head band

              from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached

              to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.

              With simple manipulation of the wire, he could

              get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear

              canal without actually forcing anything into

              the ear. Since the seal to the outside world

              was still quite effective, noise attenuation

              was on a par with foam ear-plugs.

     



              The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db

              attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises

              to 1% or less. This combination of head-set

              and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,

              low cost and effective solution.

     



              Telex had a super-light headset way back when

              with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples

              to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were

              still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few

              months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept

              in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset

              but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to

              be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear

              them for more than an hour. Kept them many years

              as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier

              but very seldom needed them.

     



              The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance

              matching transformer to work well with the higher

              impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter

              study is needed.

     



     



       Bob      . . . 

     



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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

I'm at C77.

 Lynn Cole

LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net)

 



On Jun 24, 2011, at 4:04 PM, BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:

[quote]  Good Afternoon Lynn,

  

 Don't know if it will help, but I have a small leather sleeve that fits over the boom mike. It has a couple of holes where the sound can get through. That is what I use for my open cockpit Stearman. I am confident that my Stearman is at least as noisy an environment as is your Cessna 140! <G>

  

 Not sure where I got the leather sleeves, but I kinda think they came with the David Clark headsets used in my cloth helmets.

  

 You might give it a try.

  

 Happy Skies,

  

 Old Bob

  

 PS Which Fox Valley are you in?  There is one nearby my Downers Grove, IL home.

  

  In a message dated 6/24/2011 3:35:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net) writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I have a   1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no mufflers on the engine).    The problem that I have is that the microphone picks up the noise.    If I turn the squelch up so it doesn't continuously pick up the noise, I   have to shout to break the squelch.  Any solutions to this problem?

    Lynn Cole

  LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net)

  



    On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

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    At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:

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    Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent     flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better     headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/     It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:

    Quiet as an ANR headset

    Clearer audio - critical to communication

    Unbelievably lightweight

    Rugged design

    Long-distance flying comfort

    Inexpensive replacement ear tips

    No head-squeeze

    No sweaty earmuffs

    No "bad hair" days

    Easy to carry and pack

    LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset

    



            A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the

            radio with some local hams. One of them was needing

            a lightweight headset that would let him listen to

            a radio in a busy office (emergency operations

            center) but anything that pressed on or covered

            his ears was uncomfortable.

    



            We tossed around some ideas. After several passes

            at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds

            with nice foam seals. He said that he could not

            wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which

            they were designed but he fashioned a head band

            from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached

            to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.

            With simple manipulation of the wire, he could

            get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear

            canal without actually forcing anything into

            the ear. Since the seal to the outside world

            was still quite effective, noise attenuation

            was on a par with foam ear-plugs.

    



            The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db

            attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises

            to 1% or less. This combination of head-set

            and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,

            low cost and effective solution.

    



            Telex had a super-light headset way back when

            with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples

            to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were

            still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few

            months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept

            in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset

            but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to

            be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear

            them for more than an hour. Kept them many years

            as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier

            but very seldom needed them.

    



            The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance

            matching transformer to work well with the higher

            impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter

            study is needed.

    



    



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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:34 am Post subject: Nav Data Headsets

Good Morning Lynn,

  

 In that case, may I suggest that you check with Wally F. and the other  Stearman folks.

  

 Happy Skies,

  

 Old Bob

  

 Do Not Archive

  

  In a message dated 6/24/2011 9:48:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I'm at    C77.    

      Lynn Cole

   LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net)

   



      On Jun 24, 2011, at 4:04 PM, BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:

    	  Quote: 	
		       Good Afternoon Lynn,

      

     Don't know if it will help, but I have a small leather sleeve that fits      over the boom mike. It has a couple of holes where the sound can get      through. That is what I use for my open cockpit Stearman. I am confident      that my Stearman is at least as noisy an environment as is your Cessna 140!      <G>

      

     Not sure where I got the leather sleeves, but I kinda think they      came with the David Clark headsets used in my cloth helmets.

      

     You might give it a try.

      

     Happy Skies,

      

     Old Bob

      

     PS Which Fox Valley are you in?  There is one nearby my Downers      Grove, IL home.

      

          In a message dated 6/24/2011 3:35:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net)      writes:

      	  Quote: 	
		  I        have a 1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no mufflers on the        engine).  The problem that I have is that the microphone picks up the        noise.  If I turn the squelch up so it doesn't continuously pick up        the noise, I have to shout to break the squelch.  Any solutions to        this problem?

              Lynn Cole

       LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net)

       



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         At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:

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         Everyone has their favorite headset. On a          recent flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a          better headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/          It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:

         Quiet as an ANR headset

         Clearer audio - critical to communication

         Unbelievably lightweight

         Rugged design

         Long-distance flying comfort

         Inexpensive replacement ear tips

         No head-squeeze

         No sweaty earmuffs

         No "bad hair" days

         Easy to carry and pack

         LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset

         



                      A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the

                      radio with some local hams. One of them was needing

                      a lightweight headset that would let him listen to

                      a radio in a busy office (emergency operations

                      center) but anything that pressed on or covered

                      his ears was uncomfortable.

         



                      We tossed around some ideas. After several passes

                      at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds

                      with nice foam seals. He said that he could not

                      wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which

                      they were designed but he fashioned a head band

                      from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached

                      to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.

                      With simple manipulation of the wire, he could

                      get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear

                      canal without actually forcing anything into

                      the ear. Since the seal to the outside world

                      was still quite effective, noise attenuation

                      was on a par with foam ear-plugs.

         



                      The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db

                      attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises

                      to 1% or less. This combination of head-set

                      and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,

                      low cost and effective solution.

         



                      Telex had a super-light headset way back when

                      with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples

                      to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were

                      still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few

                      months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept

                      in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset

                      but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to

                      be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear

                      them for more than an hour. Kept them many years

                      as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier

                      but very seldom needed them.

         



                      The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance

                      matching transformer to work well with the higher

                      impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter

                      study is needed.

         



         



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