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Kelly McMullen
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 Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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Yup, went on for over an hour in Sun Lakes, deposited about 1/8" of
fresh soil on the patio. Vis was definitely less than 100 ft most of
the time with a few periods down around 10-20 ft. Not looking forward
to cleaning hangar in the morning with whatever blew through the poor
seals and deposited on the project.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:32 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:
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These were from my backyard this evening. We were relaxing in the pool when my wife said "hey look at that". 10 mins later the vis was about ten feet.
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Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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Bluh. Like fiberglass fallout without the progress...I'll take earthquakes!
Do not archive
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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Yup, went on for over an hour in Sun Lakes, deposited about 1/8" of
fresh soil on the patio. Vis was definitely less than 100 ft most of
the time with a few periods down around 10-20 ft. Not looking forward
to cleaning hangar in the morning with whatever blew through the poor
seals and deposited on the project.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:32 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:
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> These were from my backyard this evening. Â We were relaxing in the pool when my wife said "hey look at that". Â 10 mins later the vis was about ten feet.
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345072#345072
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Kellym
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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Ya think I could spray some epoxy on it for a sanding coat? :'(
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Bluh. Like fiberglass fallout without the progress...I'll take earthquakes!
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John Ackerman
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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Interestingly, we never saw this in the Anthem area on the N edge of Phoenix. Some fog about 10 PM though, when the first rain hit the hot houses and pavement, then heavy rain. Ain't nature wonderful when viewed from the ground?John Ackerman
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
[quote] Ya think I could spray some epoxy on it for a sanding coat? :'(
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Bluh. Like fiberglass fallout without the progress...I'll take earthquakes!
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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For the benefit of those that don't know what we are discussing, and
what you *really* don't want to fly into, here is photo from front
page of today's Arizona Republic.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:55 PM, John Ackerman <johnag5b(at)cableone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Interestingly, we never saw this in the Anthem area on the N edge of
Phoenix. Some fog about 10 PM though, when the first rain hit the hot houses
and pavement, then heavy rain. Ain't nature wonderful when viewed from the
ground?
John Ackerman
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
Ya think I could spray some epoxy on it for a sanding coat? :'(
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On 7/5/2011 9:58 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
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Bluh. Like fiberglass fallout without the progress...I'll take earthquakes!
Do not archive
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:58 am Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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So is that the definition of "Hard IFR" whereas the easy stuff
is just being in the clouds?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/6/2011 9:10 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | For the benefit of those that don't know what we are discussing, and
what you *really* don't want to fly into, here is photo from front
page of today's Arizona Republic.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:55 PM, John Ackerman<johnag5b(at)cableone.net> wrote:
> Interestingly, we never saw this in the Anthem area on the N edge of
> Phoenix. Some fog about 10 PM though, when the first rain hit the hot houses
> and pavement, then heavy rain. Ain't nature wonderful when viewed from the
> ground?
> John Ackerman
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> On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> Ya think I could spray some epoxy on it for a sanding coat? :'(
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> <mime-attachment.jpeg>
> On 7/5/2011 9:58 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
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> <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
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> Bluh. Like fiberglass fallout without the progress...I'll take earthquakes!
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> Do not archive
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> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
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Kelly McMullen
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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I suppose so, when you consider those dust clouds will have similar
but not quite as bad effect on your paint, windows and engine as a
volcanic ash cloud. Phx Sky Harbor was closed for over an hour.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
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So is that the definition of "Hard IFR" whereas the easy stuff
is just being in the clouds?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/6/2011 9:10 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> For the benefit of those that don't know what we are discussing, and
> what you *really* don't want to fly into, here is photo from front
> page of today's Arizona Republic.
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> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:55 PM, John Ackerman<johnag5b(at)cableone.net>
> wrote:
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>> Interestingly, we never saw this in the Anthem area on the N edge of
>> Phoenix. Some fog about 10 PM though, when the first rain hit the hot
>> houses
>> and pavement, then heavy rain. Ain't nature wonderful when viewed from
>> the
>> ground?
>> John Ackerman
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>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>> Ya think I could spray some epoxy on it for a sanding coat? :'(
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>> <mime-attachment.jpeg>
>> On 7/5/2011 9:58 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
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>> <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
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>> Bluh. Like fiberglass fallout without the progress...I'll take
>> earthquakes!
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>> Do not archive
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>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:45 am Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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So that's what you fly into with Synthetic vision, as
a preparation for a new paint job and windshield...it
does the surface prep and windshield removal for you. 
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/6/2011 10:07 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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I suppose so, when you consider those dust clouds will have similar
but not quite as bad effect on your paint, windows and engine as a
volcanic ash cloud. Phx Sky Harbor was closed for over an hour.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
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> So is that the definition of "Hard IFR" whereas the easy stuff
> is just being in the clouds?
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
> On 7/6/2011 9:10 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>> For the benefit of those that don't know what we are discussing, and
>> what you *really* don't want to fly into, here is photo from front
>> page of today's Arizona Republic.
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>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:55 PM, John Ackerman<johnag5b(at)cableone.net>
>> wrote:
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>>> Interestingly, we never saw this in the Anthem area on the N edge of
>>> Phoenix. Some fog about 10 PM though, when the first rain hit the hot
>>> houses
>>> and pavement, then heavy rain. Ain't nature wonderful when viewed from
>>> the
>>> ground?
>>> John Ackerman
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>>> Ya think I could spray some epoxy on it for a sanding coat? :'(
>>>
>>> <mime-attachment.jpeg>
>>> On 7/5/2011 9:58 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
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>>> <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Bluh. Like fiberglass fallout without the progress...I'll take
>>> earthquakes!
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>> Dave Saylor
>>> AirCrafters
>>> 140 Aviation Way
>>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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I recall landing Palm Springs for a quick overnight turnaround. Beautiful
weather, crystal clear skies so I ALMOST didn't put my full length cover
on the Turbo Lance II. I said to myself don't be so lazy and pulled out
the cover. A horrific sand storm passed through the area delaying my
departure by ~4 days. When I arrived at the tie down there was a layer of
dust & crap covering every inch of the exterior even on the underside of
the wings & belly. Removing the cover really demonstrated what damage
could have been done to the glass. The plane looked like the ultimate
Farmers Tan with the cover off.
The main lesson I learned from this is... Don't be lazy.
Robin
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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So is this the outflow from a big storm?
Looks like the ones I've seen in TX and NM back in my glider days... at
first I turned and ran but realized other racers were riding them....
nothing like it! No fun on the ground though, especially for a big city.
Bill "working the punch list" Watson
On 7/6/2011 10:10 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | For the benefit of those that don't know what we are discussing, and
what you *really* don't want to fly into, here is photo from front
page of today's Arizona Republic.
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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Usually it is the leading edge of a big storm, yes, outflow. Storms
often roll in off the mountains down from 7000 ft to 1000 ft
elevation, so a lot of energy is incorporated. Yesterday's storm had
50-70mph winds for over an hour, and that picks up a lot of dirt from
the desert.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
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So is this the outflow from a big storm?
Looks like the ones I've seen in TX and NM back in my glider days... at
first I turned and ran but realized other racers were riding them....
nothing like it! No fun on the ground though, especially for a big city.
Bill "working the punch list" Watson
On 7/6/2011 10:10 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> For the benefit of those that don't know what we are discussing, and
> what you *really* don't want to fly into, here is photo from front
> page of today's Arizona Republic.
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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:22 am Post subject: Desert sandstorm PHX area |
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FWIW, having flown out in front of these before, the clear air ahead of
it is smooth and going up at a rapid rate. Think of a cold wedge of air
smoothly lifting up the the air in front of it. The air behind the dust
front has the high winds at the surface kicking up the dust, and is also
lifting - but here the rising air is convective-like turbulent. Not to
be flown in... unless the turnpoint is in there. A ballasted
sailplane can easily surf the front, outrun it, or otherwise get out of
it's way. I'm sure an RV could too. Not so sure about the Maule.
Anyway, I'm curious... did anyone who experienced it on the ground
notice any lightning in the dust? That is, lighting separate from any
moisture clouds. Or is just too brutal to be looking around at that point?
Bill "Mauledriver but really a gliderpilot" Watson
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On 7/6/2011 9:18 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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Usually it is the leading edge of a big storm, yes, outflow. Storms
often roll in off the mountains down from 7000 ft to 1000 ft
elevation, so a lot of energy is incorporated. Yesterday's storm had
50-70mph winds for over an hour, and that picks up a lot of dirt from
the desert.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Bill Watson<Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
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> So is this the outflow from a big storm?
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> Looks like the ones I've seen in TX and NM back in my glider days... at
> first I turned and ran but realized other racers were riding them....
> nothing like it! No fun on the ground though, especially for a big city.
>
> Bill "working the punch list" Watson
>> For the benefit of those that don't know what we are discussing, and
>> what you *really* don't want to fly into, here is photo from front
>> page of today's Arizona Republic.
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