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Mike Welch

Joined: 13 Feb 2011
Posts: 272

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:27 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Hey Kolb guys,



  As I wrap up most of the construction items for my plane, I still have to

figure out where to locate my ELT antenna.  I just finished mounting

the ELT unit itself underneath the forward area below the passenger seat.



  Here's the question;  Has ANYONE mounted the ELT antenna UNDERNEATH

the fuselage??  I could very easily mount it there, and give the rod a slight 

rearward bend.  This would be the easiest, fastest, and mostly "protected"

location. 



  For the record, I'm not installing an ELT because I think I need one.  I'm only

installing it because I HAVE to!  If I find myself flying over anything but roads,

I will get a "SPOT".



  Does anyone know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom 

of the fuselage??



Mike Welch

 		 	   		  

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:42 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

That is where mine is.

 Larry

  

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:11 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Thanks Larry.  So I guess it's legal and all, right??  You do have your 

plane registered "experimental" category, don't you?



Mike W



 

 		 	   		  

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Yes I do. There is no requirement or recommendation  as to where the antenna is located. With any other crash for me than a straight  in, the antenna will be pointing up any way when the dust clears. As you say,  with most of us it is only a formality anyway, since they don't monitor it  anymore.

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:43 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Mike, Why don't you just put it inside the pod? You'll get some signal degradation, but probably not enough to worry about. When the DAR issued my airworthiness certificate he checked to see that I had an ELT, but since it's an experimental aircraft you can install the antenna as you wish. 



Portion or FAR 91.207



(d) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section must be inspected within 12 calendar months after the last inspection for— 

(1) Proper installation;

(2) Battery corrosion;

 (3) Operation of the controls and crash sensor; and

(4) The presence of a sufficient signal radiated from its antenna.



Rick Girard

 

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		        Hey Kolb guys,



  As I wrap up most of the construction items for my plane, I still have to

figure out where to locate my ELT antenna.  I just finished mounting

the ELT unit itself underneath the forward area below the passenger seat.

 

  Here's the question;  Has ANYONE mounted the ELT antenna UNDERNEATH

the fuselage??  I could very easily mount it there, and give the rod a slight 

rearward bend.  This would be the easiest, fastest, and mostly "protected"

 location. 



  For the record, I'm not installing an ELT because I think I need one.  I'm only

installing it because I HAVE to!  If I find myself flying over anything but roads,

I will get a "SPOT".

 

  Does anyone know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom 

of the fuselage??



Mike Welch

 		 	   		  

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:44 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Mike,

  

 <<  Has ANYONE mounted the ELT antenna UNDERNEATH

the fuselage??  ..  easiest, fastest, and mostly "protected" location. 



 Does anyone  know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom 

of the  fuselage??  >>

  

 Allowed at the fuselage underside, yes.   Desirable, no.  After participation in several hundred searches up in  Alaska I have strong opinions about ELT antenna placement.  In general, any  externally mounted ELT antenna would survive only the mildest of forced  landings.  Any real crash at all would shear off the antenna.

  

 If you have a composite structure (except carbon  fiber) mount the antenna inside, usually in the forward tail cone.  This  worked well when I flew into the side of a forested mountain at 100  mph.  Otherwise, mount it near windows or open areas but behind  structure.  For my friends Zenith 701 we put his on the dash cover just to  the right of midline.  For a Kolb, someplace inside the cage, probably  toward the rear.  This style of mounting location is far from  electrically perfect but a poorly performing ELT antenna is a lot better than an  absent one.

  

 Back in the olden days the most popular ELT was a  slim yellow vertical box with the wire antenna sticking up from  it.  Mounting was on the doorpost on the pilot's side.  You could  activate the toggle switch directly without waiting for the pendulum to swing  forward, take the unit with you as you exited the plane and the  antenna would survive any crash you could.  Much simpler, reliable system  than today, no remote control needed, easy takealong, battery expiration date  visible all the time, etc.  But this option is no longer  available.

  

 Tom

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Hi Larry,

  

 <<  with most of us it  is only a formality anyway, since they don't monitor it anymore.   >>

  

 More exactly, they don't monitor 121.5  (VHF) by satellite anymore.  The world is shifting to 406MHz,  preferably with GPS location.  Believe Canada has implemented the  requirement for all aircraft in their airspace to be 406  equipped.  GPS enabled ELTs are finally available under  $600.

  

 But last I checked, airliners are still  required to carry 121.5 monitors, I listen to 121.5 on my cross country flights  and any search aircraft and ground teams will certainly be listening to  121.5.  So I think any ELT, even the old VHF ones, are a bit more than a  formality.

  

 << With any other crash for  me than a straight in, the antenna will be pointing up any way when the dust  clears.  >>

  

 Considering how often Kolbs seem to lose their  landing gear, I believe the chances of an under belly antenna staying around  to point in any direction are small.

  

 Tom

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:13 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

For the record, I'm not installing an ELT because I think I need one. 

I'm only

installing it because I HAVE to!  If I find myself flying over anything but 

roads,

I will get a "SPOT".



  Does anyone know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom

of the fuselage??



Mike Welch





I never know when you are trying to be humorous or serious.



Would hate to think I was going to be restricted to "flying over roads". 

Might as well forget about the airplane and drive a truck.



I believe one is allowed to mount the ELT antenna anywhere they choose. 

However, I would put a little thought into that location.  On the bottom of 

the fuselage, it will be the first thing wiped off in a crash, most of the 

time.  Contrary to your statement above, you might actually need the ELT, 

unless you kill yourself in the crash.



BTW:  How is the power plant progressing?  Is it ready to fly?  I am eager 

to hear how the turbo Geo/Suzuki engine performs.



john h

mkIII

Ttitus, Alabama

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:33 am Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Tom,

   You are of course correct in all points. I sit  corrected.  I guess I rely mainly on my Spot, and the ELT which is one of  those with an extra antenna that can be used as a portable device, was installed  only because it was required. If I survive the crash, then I can use either my  spot or the ELT. May not be the best, but it is the one that I have  chosen.

 Larry

  

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

MikeA SPOT won't save your bacon if you're knocked out.

FWIW Russ





On Jul 7, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Mike Welch wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hey Kolb guys,



  As I wrap up most of the construction items for my plane, I still have to

figure out where to locate my ELT antenna.  I just finished mounting

the ELT unit itself underneath the forward area below the passenger seat.



  Here's the question;  Has ANYONE mounted the ELT antenna UNDERNEATH

the fuselage??  I could very easily mount it there, and give the rod a slight 

rearward bend.  This would be the easiest, fastest, and mostly "protected"

location. 



  For the record, I'm not installing an ELT because I think I need one.  I'm only

installing it because I HAVE to!  If I find myself flying over anything but roads,

I will get a "SPOT".



  Does anyone know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom 

of the fuselage??



Mike Welch



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Mike Welch

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Hi Rick,



  I already did install my com radio antenna in the nosecone.  That real estate

has already been spoken for, as they say.  My 1/8" welding rod antenna sticks

out of the nosecone about 2" ahead of the center of the Lexan windshield, 

protruding about 4".   PERFECT for a chunk of yarn as a yaw indicator (which was

intended from the start).



  If, after reading this ton of replies (led by Larry's first response), it looks like it's

okay to go underneath, then I think I'll aim for that spot.  I could mount it on the 

inside rear corner of the .05" 20"x20" protection plate below the pilot seat.

  This would be the easiest of all locations.



Thanks,   Mike W

Mike, Why don't you just put it inside the pod? You'll get some signal degradation, but probably not enough to worry about. When the DAR issued my airworthiness certificate he checked to see that I had an ELT, but since it's an experimental aircraft you can install the antenna as you wish. 



Portion or FAR 91.207



(d) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section must be inspected within 12 calendar months after the last inspection for— 

(1) Proper installation;

(2) Battery corrosion;

 (3) Operation of the controls and crash sensor; and

(4) The presence of a sufficient signal radiated from its antenna.



Rick Girard

 

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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		        Hey Kolb guys,



  As I wrap up most of the construction items for my plane, I still have to

figure out where to locate my ELT antenna.  I just finished mounting

the ELT unit itself underneath the forward area below the passenger seat.

 

  Here's the question;  Has ANYONE mounted the ELT antenna UNDERNEATH

the fuselage??  I could very easily mount it there, and give the rod a slight 

rearward bend.  This would be the easiest, fastest, and mostly "protected"

 location. 



  For the record, I'm not installing an ELT because I think I need one.  I'm only

installing it because I HAVE to!  If I find myself flying over anything but roads,

I will get a "SPOT".

 

  Does anyone know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom 

of the fuselage??



Mike Welch

 		 	   		  

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Russ,

   I really don't want to test the theory, but I use  the spot and the tracking feature that sends every 10 minutes. I have been  surprised to find that mine will send inside my concrete block hanger with a  wood roof and composite shingles. Not saying that anything is fool proof, it is  just a better option for me than the ELT that I have in the plane. It sends  locations to my home computer or any one that I designate every 10 minutes, has  the option of calling for help or 911. I haven't tried it upside down yet, and I  hope to keep it that way.

 Larry

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

John,



  My comment WAS made sort of jest, but from all the airplane crashes I hear

about, few of them seem to be found by way of the ELT.  I really don't hold out much

hope for relying on it for location pinpointing in the event of crash.  On the other hand,

I DO intend on getting a SPOT locator.  By all accounts, the satellite monitored type

of safety beacon seems to be a lot more dependable.  Do they have an "automatic"

on mode in the event of a crash, like an accelerometer or something?



  Re: my engine.  Lately I've been really trying to concentrate on getting the MkIII itself

finished.  The motor/prop/turbo has been essentially done for months, but

I was waiting on the front instrument panel and overhead panel, etc, etc, since they house

all the gages, ignition switch, etc. etc.  The panels are finished, the plane is 'almost finished'

and engine testing should be VERY close to being the next thing on my list.



  The problem is getting anything done in a timely manner.  Before summer really sat in,

I was making good progress.  But lately with all the heat and humidity, it's VERY hard 

to get in a decent work day.  It's not much fun when you're sweating so much your eyes fill up

with sweat. to where you can't even see (and this happens in 3 minutes).  Then, mix in 

last week's trip to Minneapolis to visit my oldest son, home on vacation from Bagram AB, Afganistan.



  This Saturday my local airport/EAA Chapter is having an open house, Young Eagles day.  I just

installed my windshield and nosecone a few minutes ago with screws....not clecos!  More or less,

the plane looks 99% finished to the untrained on-looker.  I have a couple of minor little projects

(like installing the ELT antenna, for instance).

  My plan is to tow my plane down to the end of my street, cross the road, and into the local airport.

A total distance of about 1200'.  



  Back to the engine;  I needed to buy "fuel injection approved" rubber gas line.  I calculated I needed

around just over 5', so I went up to O'Reilly's .  $6.00 a foot!!!  Sheesh!  Over $38.00 for 6 feet of

flexible 5/16" fuel injection hose.  To get the engine running, all I need to do is remove the non-approved

hose and replace it with this one.  15 minute job.  Maybe less.  Add oil and coolant.  Turn key.

  Assuming no other diversions, I think I'll be looking toward this Sunday or Monday to getting the engine

running.



  I guess I should rethink the "under the fuselage" location for the antenna.  I think I'll head back out 

and look for a spot behind the seats.



Mike Welch  



  



[quote] From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: ELT antenna placement

 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:11:01 -0500

 

 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>

 

 

    For the record, I'm not installing an ELT because I think I need one. 

 I'm only

 installing it because I HAVE to!  If I find myself flying over anything but 

 roads,

 I will get a "SPOT".

 

   Does anyone know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom

 of the fuselage??

 

 Mike Welch

 

 

 

 

 I never know when you are trying to be humorous or serious.

 

 Would hate to think I was going to be restricted to "flying over roads". 

 Might as well forget about the airplane and drive a truck.

 

 I believe one is allowed to mount the ELT antenna anywhere they choose. 

 However, I would put a little thought into that location.  On the bottom of 

 the fuselage, it will be the first thing wiped off in a crash, most of the 

 time.  Contrary to your statement above, you might actually need the ELT, 

 unless you kill yourself in the crash.

 

 BTW:  How is the power plant progressing?  Is it ready to fly?  I am eager 

 to hear how the turbo Geo/Suzuki engine performs.

 

 john h

 mkIII

 Ttitus, Alabama

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Mike,

perhaps you mentioned it before and I missed it or just forgot. What engine are you using and why is fuel injection rated fuel line required?



Thom



On Jul 7, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 

[quote] John,



  My comment WAS made sort of jest, but from all the airplane crashes I hear

about, few of them seem to be found by way of the ELT.  I really don't hold out much

hope for relying on it for location pinpointing in the event of crash.  On the other hand,

 I DO intend on getting a SPOT locator.  By all accounts, the satellite monitored type

of safety beacon seems to be a lot more dependable.  Do they have an "automatic"

on mode in the event of a crash, like an accelerometer or something?

 

  Re: my engine.  Lately I've been really trying to concentrate on getting the MkIII itself

finished.  The motor/prop/turbo has been essentially done for months, but

I was waiting on the front instrument panel and overhead panel, etc, etc, since they house

 all the gages, ignition switch, etc. etc.  The panels are finished, the plane is 'almost finished'

and engine testing should be VERY close to being the next thing on my list.



  The problem is getting anything done in a timely manner.  Before summer really sat in,

 I was making good progress.  But lately with all the heat and humidity, it's VERY hard 

to get in a decent work day.  It's not much fun when you're sweating so much your eyes fill up

with sweat. to where you can't even see (and this happens in 3 minutes).  Then, mix in 

 last week's trip to Minneapolis to visit my oldest son, home on vacation from Bagram AB, Afganistan.



  This Saturday my local airport/EAA Chapter is having an open house, Young Eagles day.  I just

installed my windshield and nosecone a few minutes ago with screws....not clecos!  More or less,

 the plane looks 99% finished to the untrained on-looker.  I have a couple of minor little projects

(like installing the ELT antenna, for instance).

  My plan is to tow my plane down to the end of my street, cross the road, and into the local airport.

 A total distance of about 1200'.  



  Back to the engine;  I needed to buy "fuel injection approved" rubber gas line.  I calculated I needed

around just over 5', so I went up to O'Reilly's .  $6.00 a foot!!!  Sheesh!  Over $38.00 for 6 feet of

 flexible 5/16" fuel injection hose.  To get the engine running, all I need to do is remove the non-approved

hose and replace it with this one.  15 minute job.  Maybe less.  Add oil and coolant.  Turn key.

  Assuming no other diversions, I think I'll be looking toward this Sunday or Monday to getting the engine

 running.



  I guess I should rethink the "under the fuselage" location for the antenna.  I think I'll head back out 

and look for a spot behind the seats.



Mike Welch  



  



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		   Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT antenna placement

 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:11:01 -0500

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		   --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>

 

 

    For the record, I'm not installing an ELT because I think I need one. 

 > I'm only
	


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		   installing it because I HAVE to!  If I find myself flying over anything but 

 roads,

 I will get a "SPOT".

 

   Does anyone know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom

 > of the fuselage??
	


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 Mike Welch

 

 

 

 

 I never know when you are trying to be humorous or serious.

 

 Would hate to think I was going to be restricted to "flying over roads". 

 > Might as well forget about the airplane and drive a truck.
	


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 I believe one is allowed to mount the ELT antenna anywhere they choose. 

 However, I would put a little thought into that location.  On the bottom of 

 > the fuselage, it will be the first thing wiped off in a crash, most of the 
	


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		   time.  Contrary to your statement above, you might actually need the ELT, 

 unless you kill yourself in the crash.

 

 > BTW:  How is the power plant progressing?  Is it ready to fly?  I am eager 
	


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		   to hear how the turbo Geo/Suzuki engine performs.

 

 john h

 mkIII

 Ttitus, Alabama

 


	


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Mike Welch

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

>Mike>A SPOT won't save your bacon if you're knocked out.

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		  FWIW Russ


	


Hi Russ,



  The SPOT locator was a hot topic on this list a couple of times in the last

couple of years.  To be honest, I forgot all the details of what it could and 

couldn't do.  But Larry's mention of the "every 10 minute" thing, where it 

shows your location reminded me that THAT is what I wanted about it.



  Like Larry said, I can have my home computer (and anyone else, I guess),

watch a map of my route, with latitude/longitude references every 10 minutes.



  IMO, the ELT is a requirement, but I think I like the concept of a SPOT better.



Mike Welch



 		 	   		  

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Hi Thom,



  Yes, I mentioned it before.



Mike



From: riddletr(at)gmail.com

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:59:41 -0400

Subject: Re: ELT antenna placement

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com



Mike,

perhaps you mentioned it before and I missed it or just forgot. What engine are you using and why is fuel injection rated fuel line required?



Thom



On Jul 7, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 

[quote] John,



  My comment WAS made sort of jest, but from all the airplane crashes I hear

about, few of them seem to be found by way of the ELT.  I really don't hold out much

hope for relying on it for location pinpointing in the event of crash.  On the other hand,

 I DO intend on getting a SPOT locator.  By all accounts, the satellite monitored type

of safety beacon seems to be a lot more dependable.  Do they have an "automatic"

on mode in the event of a crash, like an accelerometer or something?

 

  Re: my engine.  Lately I've been really trying to concentrate on getting the MkIII itself

finished.  The motor/prop/turbo has been essentially done for months, but

I was waiting on the front instrument panel and overhead panel, etc, etc, since they house

 all the gages, ignition switch, etc. etc.  The panels are finished, the plane is 'almost finished'

and engine testing should be VERY close to being the next thing on my list.



  The problem is getting anything done in a timely manner.  Before summer really sat in,

 I was making good progress.  But lately with all the heat and humidity, it's VERY hard 

to get in a decent work day.  It's not much fun when you're sweating so much your eyes fill up

with sweat. to where you can't even see (and this happens in 3 minutes).  Then, mix in 

 last week's trip to Minneapolis to visit my oldest son, home on vacation from Bagram AB, Afganistan.



  This Saturday my local airport/EAA Chapter is having an open house, Young Eagles day.  I just

installed my windshield and nosecone a few minutes ago with screws....not clecos!  More or less,

 the plane looks 99% finished to the untrained on-looker.  I have a couple of minor little projects

(like installing the ELT antenna, for instance).

  My plan is to tow my plane down to the end of my street, cross the road, and into the local airport.

 A total distance of about 1200'.  



  Back to the engine;  I needed to buy "fuel injection approved" rubber gas line.  I calculated I needed

around just over 5', so I went up to O'Reilly's .  $6.00 a foot!!!  Sheesh!  Over $38.00 for 6 feet of

 flexible 5/16" fuel injection hose.  To get the engine running, all I need to do is remove the non-approved

hose and replace it with this one.  15 minute job.  Maybe less.  Add oil and coolant.  Turn key.

  Assuming no other diversions, I think I'll be looking toward this Sunday or Monday to getting the engine

 running.



  I guess I should rethink the "under the fuselage" location for the antenna.  I think I'll head back out 

and look for a spot behind the seats.



Mike Welch  



  



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    For the record, I'm not installing an ELT because I think I need one. 

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		   installing it because I HAVE to!  If I find myself flying over anything but 

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 I will get a "SPOT".

 

   Does anyone know if it is "allowed" to mount the ELT antenna on the bottom

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 I never know when you are trying to be humorous or serious.

 

 Would hate to think I was going to be restricted to "flying over roads". 

 > Might as well forget about the airplane and drive a truck.
	


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 I believe one is allowed to mount the ELT antenna anywhere they choose. 

 However, I would put a little thought into that location.  On the bottom of 

 > the fuselage, it will be the first thing wiped off in a crash, most of the 
	


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		   time.  Contrary to your statement above, you might actually need the ELT, 

 unless you kill yourself in the crash.

 

 > BTW:  How is the power plant progressing?  Is it ready to fly?  I am eager 
	


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		   to hear how the turbo Geo/Suzuki engine performs.

 

 john h

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 Ttitus, Alabama

 


	


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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:09 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

Do they have an "automatic"

on mode in the event of a crash, like an accelerometer or something?



  Mike Welch



 I don't know about the new 406 ELTs, but the old 121.5s were inertia 

activated.



Good luck with your airplane.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

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Mike Welch

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

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		  Mike,>perhaps you mentioned it before and I missed it or just forgot. What engine are you using and why is fuel injection rated fuel line required?


	


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Hi Thom, 



  Just kidding!!  There's some of that "humor" I been known to submerged into.

Heat made me do it!!



  My engine is the GEO 3 cylinder, 1.0 liter GEO Metro motor.  It came as a 'normally aspirated'

motor, but I added my own turbo conversion.  The turbo is a Garrett GT 1544, which is about

the tiniest little turbo you ever saw.  It's made for 1000cc-1300cc engines

Mike Welch

Joined: 13 Feb 2011
Posts: 272

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

John,



   No, you misunderstood my question.  I was asking if the SPOT had an activation

device...like an accelerometer.   But, I think Larry sort of answered my question,

in that you don't really need an activation device, since the SPOT is broadcasting 

your location every 10 minutes....which is even better!!



  Thanks.



Mike W



 		 	   		  

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elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: ELT antenna placement

I mounted my ELT antenna in side the fusalage behind the fuel tanks out of sight 

Ellery Batchelder Jr.



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