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donaho(at)csrlink.net
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: HELP, I`m so confused

Hi All,   First the good news, I had my airworthiness inspection done on 

Friday and passed with flying colors. Now the confusing part. I wanted to 

be in the armature built category so I could do my own maintenance and 

inspections. However the FAA inspector said that I would need a private 

pilot license to fly the FS II  if I went that route. If I wanted a private 

ticket, I would have done that twenty two years ago when I started flying. 

So I changed my course of action.My next choice was ELSA, He recommended 

that route, however now I would need to take the 16 hour repairmen`s 

course, and get what he called a ELSA pilot`s license from a flight 

instructor. He felt that would take about twenty hours of instruction  to 

get. ( He said that a Sport Pilot license ( which I almost have) would not 

qualify me to fly the FSII in that category.)  The closest repairman course 

I can find is in Fredricksburg Md. A three day course, three hours away for 

$300.00 plus lodging. Pretty steep price to do the same things I have been 

doing for the past 10 years since I built the FSII. As for the ELSA pilot 

license, I don`t know how much that would cost, But I don`t think twenty 

hours of instruction will be cheap, once again this is required to fly the 

same aircraft I have been flying for the past ten years. 	I tried to find 

info. on the Internet about the ELSA pilot license, since this was the 

first time I had heard of it, but I found nothing. My questions are as 

follows, Is what I was told accurate information? And secondly does anyone 

have a ELSA pilot license that can enlighten me about that? Thank you in 

advance. Lanny Fetterman N598LF P.S.

The inspector was a very nice guy and did his best to explain things to me, 

however, I apparently had a lot of misconceptions.

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HShack(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: HELP, I`m so confused

In a message dated 5/14/2006 11:31:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, 

donaho(at)csrlink.net writes:

Now the confusing part. I wanted to 

be in the armature built category so I could do my own maintenance and 

inspections. However the FAA inspector said that I would need a private 

pilot license to fly the FS II  if I went that route. 



I'm sure that more knowledgeable folks will reply, buy I'm sure he's wrong.  

We have several arouind here going that route.



Howard Shackleford

FS II

SC

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David.Lehman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 265
Location: "Lovely" Fresno CA

Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: HELP, I`m so confused

The inspector is wrong...  As long as the airplane meets the "Sport

Aircraft" criteria, i.e. weight, seats, fixed gear, number of engines, etc.=

,

it can be operated with a Sport Pilot or higher certificate, i.e. Private,

Commercial, etc...



DVD



On 5/14/06, HShack(at)aol.com <HShack(at)aol.com> wrote:

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 In a message dated 5/14/2006 11:31:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

 donaho(at)csrlink.net writes:

 Now the confusing part. I wanted to

 be in the armature built category so I could do my own maintenance and

 inspections. However the FAA inspector said that I would need a private

 pilot license to fly the FS II  if I went that route.



 I'm sure that more knowledgeable folks will reply, buy I'm sure he's

 wrong.

 We have several arouind here going that route.



 Howard Shackleford

 FS II

 SC





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Dave Pelletier

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Prescott, Arizona

Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: HELP, I`m so confused

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dhkey(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: HELP, I`m so confused

There is no such thing as an ESLA flying license.

You fly under the sport pilot license, private or higher.

ESLA or Experimental applies to the plane.



If it is ESLA then anyone can do any repairs but you have to take the 

repairmans course if you want to do the annual condition inspection.



You can fly the firestar II under the sport pilot license or higher.



I think you can fly Experimental planes under the sport pilots license if 

the plane qualifies as a sport pilot plane.



I hope that didn't further confuse things.

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		  From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho(at)csrlink.net>

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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: HELP, I`m so confused

Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:28:03 -0400






	Hi All,   First the good news, I had my airworthiness inspection done on

Friday and passed with flying colors. Now the confusing part. I wanted to

be in the armature built category so I could do my own maintenance and

inspections. However the FAA inspector said that I would need a private

pilot license to fly the FS II  if I went that route. If I wanted a private

ticket, I would have done that twenty two years ago when I started flying.

So I changed my course of action.My next choice was ELSA, He recommended

that route, however now I would need to take the 16 hour repairmen`s

course, and get what he called a ELSA pilot`s license from a flight

instructor. He felt that would take about twenty hours of instruction  to

get. ( He said that a Sport Pilot license ( which I almost have) would not

qualify me to fly the FSII in that category.)  The closest repairman course

I can find is in Fredricksburg Md. A three day course, three hours away for

$300.00 plus lodging. Pretty steep price to do the same things I have been

doing for the past 10 years since I built the FSII. As for the ELSA pilot

license, I don`t know how much that would cost, But I don`t think twenty

hours of instruction will be cheap, once again this is required to fly the

same aircraft I have been flying for the past ten years. 	I tried to find

info. on the Internet about the ELSA pilot license, since this was the

first time I had heard of it, but I found nothing. My questions are as

follows, Is what I was told accurate information? And secondly does anyone

have a ELSA pilot license that can enlighten me about that? Thank you in

advance. Lanny Fetterman N598LF P.S.

The inspector was a very nice guy and did his best to explain things to me,

however, I apparently had a lot of misconceptions.

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John Jung

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 108
Location: Surprise, AZ, USA

Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Re: HELP, I`m so confused

Here is where the confusion may have started: Once you license your Kolb as an Experimental Aircraft, you cannot legally fly it until you have at least a Sport Pilot license.  As far as flying an experimental with a Sport Pilot license, the inspector was either wrong or a whole lot of other people are all wrong.

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Bob Griffin

Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 34
Location: Slingerlands,NY

Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: HELP, I`m so confused

Lanny and gang,    most all your questions can be answered by looking on the 

"sportpilot.org" web site. ELSA and SLSA are the two ways to buy one of the 

new "certified light sport aircraft's".  ELSA is the kit form and SLSA (special 

light sport aircraft) is complete ready to fly. There was a time frame for you 

to get credit for all the flying as an ultrlight pilot towards your sport 

pilot rating. You can check to see if that has gone by or not?  It is also my 

understanding that any licensed A&P can inspect any of the LSA's or Experimental 

as in the past. There are new courses out to allow an owner of a LSA to do 

work and inspections on their aircraft and also 120 hr courses to do work and 

inspections on any LSA. 

Hope this helps

Fly Safe 

Bob Griffin

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Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 112
Location: Georgia

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: HELP, I`m so confused

 	  Bob Griffin wrote: 	
		  Lanny and gang, most all your questions can be answered by looking on the "sportpilot.org" web site. ELSA and SLSA are the two ways to buy one of the new "certified light sport aircraft's".  ELSA is the kit form and SLSA is complete ready to fly. There was a time frame for you to get credit for all the flying as an ultrlight pilot towards your sport pilot rating. It is also my understanding that any licensed A&P can inspect any of the LSA's or Experimental as in the past. There are new courses out to allow an owner of a LSA to do work and inspections on their aircraft and also 120 hr courses to do work and inspections on any LSA. 

	




I'm I going to really going to have to do this stuff after flying illegal/fat for the last 20 years?

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