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etandrews(at)westnet.com.
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:51 pm Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

Everyone,

  

 I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just outside  the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the gear  leg.    I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after  my flight and then went to investigate.   On my previous flight, I had  inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was evident... so  the final failure must have occurred on my last flight.   I am now  planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with flexible hoses as per Timâ€™s  web page.   For the last 18 months I have operated out of a grass  airfield that I expect has contributed to the extra movement in the gear during  taxi and landing etc.

  

 Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and if so what  hose type did you use?   

  

 Evan Andrews

 RV10 150hrs Flying 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  



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speckter(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

I too fly on grass and had the same issue as you.  I replaced them with Bonaco.  They have the lengths you need, you don’t even have to measure.  

   

Gary Specketer  

         

  

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 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM

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 Subject: External Brake Lines - crack  

  

         

Everyone,  

    

   

    

I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just outside the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the gear leg.    I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after my flight and then went to investigate.   On my previous flight, I had inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was evident... so the final failure must have occurred on my last flight.   I am now planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with flexible hoses as per Tim’s web page.   For the last 18 months I have operated out of a grass airfield that I expect has contributed to the extra movement in the gear during taxi and landing etc.  

    

   

    

Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and if so what hose type did you use?     

    

   

    

Evan Andrews  

    

RV10 150hrs Flying   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

  

  

  



 

 

 

 

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Bill Schlatterer

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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

Bonoco will have the lines ready made for your make and  model.  Super quality with abrasion sleeving over braid.  Using them  on my 7 and love them.  50 hours and no apparent wear at  all.

  

 Bill S

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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM

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Subject: External Brake Lines -  crack

 

   Everyone,

  

 I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just outside  the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the gear  leg.    I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after  my flight and then went to investigate.   On my previous flight, I had  inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was evident... so  the final failure must have occurred on my last flight.   I am now  planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with flexible hoses as per Tim’s  web page.   For the last 18 months I have operated out of a grass  airfield that I expect has contributed to the extra movement in the gear during  taxi and landing etc.

  

 Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and if so what  hose type did you use?   

  

 Evan Andrews

 RV10 150hrs Flying 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  



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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:49 am Post subject: Re: External Brake Lines - crack

Bonaco on mine.

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taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Tim,

  

 I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake line  installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why did  you loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install?

  

 Roger

 40291

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:10 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

My original lines were flex too.  I routed them in the loop

because I wasn't thinking clearly and was being an

idiot.  It works fine, but with flex, you could just go down

the leg and turn to the caliper.  I did it to mimic the

loop with the hard lines....which of course we now

all know aren't holding up well. I've heard from quite

a few folks with breaks in those hard lines, especially

up near the fuselage for some reason.



If you just order the standard bonaco lines you'll be fine.

Don't be an idiot like me.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 7/7/2011 12:46 PM, Roger Standley wrote:

[quote] Tim,

 I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake line

 installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why did you

 loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install?

 Roger

 40291



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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

You're not an idiot you are an early adopter & pioneer.



Robin

Do Not Archive



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taildragon(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:43 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  So you are recommending to forget the axle loop and go direct to the  caliper with the Bonaco flex line? Do you know the length of the standard  bonaco lines? I believe yours were 46" with the loop. 

  

 Thank you!

  

 Roger

 40291

  

  

  

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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:47 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

One of my original hard lines broke the other day at the caliper.  I

used a local hose shop to fab new flex lines since we were leaving on

a trip and in a hurry.  Definitely a weak spot.

Dave Saylor

AirCrafters

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

831-750-0284 Cell

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 My original lines were flex too. Â I routed them in the loop

 because I wasn't thinking clearly and was being an

 idiot. Â It works fine, but with flex, you could just go down

 the leg and turn to the caliper. Â I did it to mimic the

 loop with the hard lines....which of course we now

 all know aren't holding up well. I've heard from quite

 a few folks with breaks in those hard lines, especially

 up near the fuselage for some reason.

 If you just order the standard bonaco lines you'll be fine.

 Don't be an idiot like me.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 On 7/7/2011 12:46 PM, Roger Standley wrote:

>

> Tim,

> I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake line

> installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why did you

> loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install?

> Roger

> 40291

>

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jcumins(at)jcis.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:03 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

Well I truly believe that one reason that Vans has so many solid line issues is the product they ship.  I would never use 301 based lines in anything on an airplane.  So I will order 5052 alum tubing for all my fluid lines I need to make and will for sure go with Branco flex lines for the lines on the gear legs and to the calipers.  



I have heard to darn many issues with vans tubing provided in the kits, from broken fuel lines to leaking fuel lines.  I do not understand the going cheap on materials for a kit that has so much relying on it.  Like peoples lives.



Just my 2 cents worth



John Cumins

A&P should be a IA if I get off my butt.  Wow 31 years now.  

40864 Emp done Wings working on skins

Sweeting in the 100 degree heat 



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:10 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

Yeah, I don't see the need for a loop if you're using flex.

I don't know the standard length, but I'm sure they're

shorter than mine.  You could fabricate something similar

to use as a model, but Bonaco knows the length you'd need

so I'd just have them sell you the standard.  I don't

know the measurement on the standard ones.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 7/7/2011 1:38 PM, Roger Standley wrote:

[quote] So you are recommending to forget the axle loop and go direct to the

 caliper with the Bonaco flex line? Do you know the length of the

 standard bonaco lines? I believe yours were 46" with the loop.

 Thank you!

 Roger

 40291

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rv10flyer

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 364

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: Re: External Brake Lines - crack

31 1/2" -3 hose with -4 straight fittings on each end. Like Tim said they know exactly what you need. Everything fit fine on mine. The two hoses from copilot master cylinders to reservoir tee fitting were 1" too long but they still worked. 



+1 for 5052-O fuel/brake lines. Van's 3003-O is going to be hauled off for scrap this winter after flying. 5052-O would have broken too...it just takes twice as long. 



Back to wheel pants...oh I love fiberglass. At least the end is near as my pile of parts is getting real small. Ted Chang's BIG West trip on VAF has really got me motivated now. Looking forward to some cool fall test flying.

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etandrews(at)westnet.com.
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

Many thanks everyone for your input.   Vans should consider including the 

flexible hose lines in the RV10 kit... has this been raised with Vans 

before?



all the best



Evan Andrews



VH-OSH Flying 154hrs



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maca2790

Joined: 26 Jan 2011
Posts: 59
Location: Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

G'day Evan,

just thought I would say hello. Good to see another Aussie builder. I'm

currently working on

The brake lines myself and I was looking at the plans and thought that the

solid lines going down

The gear leg was not an ideal way to do it.



Cheers



John MacCallum

Builder # 41016

VH-DUU 



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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:40 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

I have been reading about the solid break lines and I wanted to tell everyone about my experience that seems to be completely different than what the group is thinking.



I have constructed my break lines solid all the way to the calipers on my RV6 with 1300 hrs of time and perhaps 800-900 landings and my RV10 with 530 hrs of time and 400 landings.



Both planes have not had any failures.  I think that if you use the right faring tool and take care not to have nicks and cracks, solid lines work just fine.  After all, having less part count, in principal, is not a bad idea.



Do not archive.



On Jul 9, 2011, at 4:23 AM, John MacCallum wrote:



[quote] 

 

 G'day Evan,

 just thought I would say hello. Good to see another Aussie builder. I'm

 currently working on

 The brake lines myself and I was looking at the plans and thought that the

 solid lines going down

 The gear leg was not an ideal way to do it.

 

 Cheers

 

 John MacCallum

 Builder # 41016

 VH-DUU 

 

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

Van's would consider adding flex lines about the same time as they

consider stocking the correct nose wheel. They won't change the nose

wheel even though the correct one is exactly the same price. Flex

lines could add over $100 to the cost, especially if you include flex

lines in place of the crummy nylon lines in the cabin. Somehow we have

been deluded into wanting durability similar to certified

aircraft................what a crazy idea.



On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, E & T Andrews <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au> wrote:

   Vans should consider including the

 	  Quote: 	
		   flexible hose lines in the RV10 kit... has this been raised with Vans

 before?



 all the best



 Evan Andrews

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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

Kelly,

I beg to differ but in certified aircraft that I am familiar, (Cessna)

flexible lines are used only where absolutely necessary. The

preference by certified aircraft designers is to use hard lines as

much as practicable if only so that there is no life limit on the

line.

This was driven home to me when I stood on the rear door of a C-17 and

looked up at all the hydraulic plumbing.  With all those movable parts

and doors, NOT a single flexible line --not even at the actuators.

Where the line required movement, solid lines with mechanical (banjo

style) flexible fluid couplings were used.  I took a picture of it but

I have to find it.

I know some Pipers use a short flexible line between their fuel tanks

and the fuselage fuel coupling.  However on the Cardinal that; when in

doubt I ask "what would Cessna do" just as with Vans, flexible lines

are kept to a minimum and used only where absolutely necessary.

In the Cardinal fuel system, there are NO flexible lines.  In the

Cardinal electro-hydraulic gear system there are only four short

flexible lines at the nose and main gear actuators.  In the

retractable gear Cardinal, the brake line in the main gear is a solid

line.  A the top of the RG brake line is a solid mechanical swivel

fitting and only on the lower portion by the wheel is a short easily

replaced flexible line used--remember this is a retractable gear

aircraft.

The point in all this is that hard lines ARE the standard in the

certified and military world in most areas and flexible lines are the

exception.  Flexible lines are used only where hard lines are

impractical or expensive such as the movable mechanical (banjo type)

fluid connectors.

Just an alternative $0.02.

William

N237VX

On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:25, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Van's would consider adding flex lines about the same time as they

 consider stocking the correct nose wheel. They won't change the nose

 wheel even though the correct one is exactly the same price. Flex

 lines could add over $100 to the cost, especially if you include flex

 lines in place of the crummy nylon lines in the cabin. Somehow we have

 been deluded into wanting durability similar to certified

 aircraft................what a crazy idea.

 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, E & T Andrews <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au> wrote:

   Vans should consider including the

> flexible hose lines in the RV10 kit... has this been raised with Vans

> before?

>

> all the best

>

> Evan Andrews

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

You will find that the vast majority of Cleveland brakes are connected 

via flex lines. Yes, there may be hard lines to somewhere nearby, but 

the movement of the gear leg and the movement of the caliper is a flex 

line. For example, the brake lines on my Mooney are flexible from the 

center of the gear well down the gear leg to the wheel, all flex line. 

While most fixed gear Cessnas had hard line down the gear leg, the 

connection to the caliper usually was flex line if Cleveland or McCauley 

brakes were used, because the caliper moves. With Goodyear brakes there 

was hard line all the way, because the caliper was fixed and the disk 

moved inside the wheel. Fuel lines are a combination. Most Cessnas (with 

wing struts) have flex line between the wing and the fuselage.  My 

Mooney has flex line between the wing fuel pickup and the hard line to 

the selector. Where there is movement or vibration, like in the engine 

compartment, flex line is used. Where there are hard lines, they are 

made of higher quality tubing on production equipment, not out of soft 

line with hand tools. The only place I have seen tubing of similar low 

quality is the oil drainback tubes on Lycoming engines.

I wouldn't call a C-17 a certified aircraft, because like most military 

only aircraft, it isn't. They have very different missions and different 

maintenance practices, not to mention vastly different pricing.

On 7/9/2011 8:56 PM, William Curtis wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Kelly,

 I beg to differ but in certified aircraft that I am familiar, (Cessna)

 flexible lines are used only where absolutely necessary. The

 preference by certified aircraft designers is to use hard lines as

 much as practicable if only so that there is no life limit on the

 line.

 This was driven home to me when I stood on the rear door of a C-17 and

 looked up at all the hydraulic plumbing.  With all those movable parts

 and doors, NOT a single flexible line --not even at the actuators.

 Where the line required movement, solid lines with mechanical (banjo

 style) flexible fluid couplings were used.  I took a picture of it but

 I have to find it.

 I know some Pipers use a short flexible line between their fuel tanks

 and the fuselage fuel coupling.  However on the Cardinal that; when in

 doubt I ask "what would Cessna do" just as with Vans, flexible lines

 are kept to a minimum and used only where absolutely necessary.

 In the Cardinal fuel system, there are NO flexible lines.  In the

 Cardinal electro-hydraulic gear system there are only four short

 flexible lines at the nose and main gear actuators.  In the

 retractable gear Cardinal, the brake line in the main gear is a solid

 line.  A the top of the RG brake line is a solid mechanical swivel

 fitting and only on the lower portion by the wheel is a short easily

 replaced flexible line used--remember this is a retractable gear

 aircraft.

 The point in all this is that hard lines ARE the standard in the

 certified and military world in most areas and flexible lines are the

 exception.  Flexible lines are used only where hard lines are

 impractical or expensive such as the movable mechanical (banjo type)

 fluid connectors.

 Just an alternative $0.02.

 William

 N237VX

 On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:25, Kelly McMullen<apilot2(at)gmail.com>  wrote:

> 

>

> Van's would consider adding flex lines about the same time as they

> consider stocking the correct nose wheel. They won't change the nose

> wheel even though the correct one is exactly the same price. Flex

> lines could add over $100 to the cost, especially if you include flex

> lines in place of the crummy nylon lines in the cabin. Somehow we have

> been deluded into wanting durability similar to certified

> aircraft................what a crazy idea.

>

> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, E&  T Andrews<etandrews(at)westnet.com.au>  wrote:

>    Vans should consider including the

>> flexible hose lines in the RV10 kit... has this been raised with Vans

>> before?

>>

>> all the best

>>

>> Evan Andrews

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:35 pm Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

I think the decision ..... flex or hard ..... probably boiled down to 

weight and cost, and the hard lines win on both counts.

Hard line failures on certified aircraft happen..... but mostly with 

many, many hours on them.  I have no data, but I'd bet money on the RV 

brake line failures on poor flaring technique, or cheap equipment.  

Scoring the tubing with the flaring tool clamp is just asking for a 

stress fracture.  For me it's really difficult to get a flare I'm happy 

with.  I had to clean up my Rolo-Flair dies because of marks on the tubing.

Linn

On 7/9/2011 11:56 PM, William Curtis wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Kelly,

 I beg to differ but in certified aircraft that I am familiar, (Cessna)

 flexible lines are used only where absolutely necessary. The

 preference by certified aircraft designers is to use hard lines as

 much as practicable if only so that there is no life limit on the

 line.

 This was driven home to me when I stood on the rear door of a C-17 and

 looked up at all the hydraulic plumbing.  With all those movable parts

 and doors, NOT a single flexible line --not even at the actuators.

 Where the line required movement, solid lines with mechanical (banjo

 style) flexible fluid couplings were used.  I took a picture of it but

 I have to find it.

 I know some Pipers use a short flexible line between their fuel tanks

 and the fuselage fuel coupling.  However on the Cardinal that; when in

 doubt I ask "what would Cessna do" just as with Vans, flexible lines

 are kept to a minimum and used only where absolutely necessary.

 In the Cardinal fuel system, there are NO flexible lines.  In the

 Cardinal electro-hydraulic gear system there are only four short

 flexible lines at the nose and main gear actuators.  In the

 retractable gear Cardinal, the brake line in the main gear is a solid

 line.  A the top of the RG brake line is a solid mechanical swivel

 fitting and only on the lower portion by the wheel is a short easily

 replaced flexible line used--remember this is a retractable gear

 aircraft.

 The point in all this is that hard lines ARE the standard in the

 certified and military world in most areas and flexible lines are the

 exception.  Flexible lines are used only where hard lines are

 impractical or expensive such as the movable mechanical (banjo type)

 fluid connectors.

 Just an alternative $0.02.

 William

 N237VX

 On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:25, Kelly McMullen<apilot2(at)gmail.com>  wrote:

> 

>

> Van's would consider adding flex lines about the same time as they

> consider stocking the correct nose wheel. They won't change the nose

> wheel even though the correct one is exactly the same price. Flex

> lines could add over $100 to the cost, especially if you include flex

> lines in place of the crummy nylon lines in the cabin. Somehow we have

> been deluded into wanting durability similar to certified

> aircraft................what a crazy idea.

>

> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, E&  T Andrews<etandrews(at)westnet.com.au>  wrote:

>    Vans should consider including the

>> flexible hose lines in the RV10 kit... has this been raised with Vans

>> before?

>>

>> all the best

>>

>> Evan Andrews

wwc4(at)njit.edu
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:53 pm Post subject: External Brake Lines - crack

Kelly,

  

 I think we are all in agreement that the 3003 versa tube is crap and 5052 would be much better.  Also, when I said NO flexible lines are used in the Cardinal fuel system, I meant from the firewall back.  Naturally, firewall forward is one place where flexible lines are standard.

 

 William

 -----------

  



 On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net (pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net (pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net)>

 

I think the decision ..... flex or hard ..... probably boiled down to weight and cost, and the hard lines win on both counts.

Hard line failures on certified aircraft happen..... but mostly with many, many hours on them.  I have no data, but I'd bet money on the RV brake line failures on poor flaring technique, or cheap equipment.  Scoring the tubing with the flaring tool clamp is just asking for a stress fracture.  For me it's really difficult to get a flare I'm happy with.  I had to clean up my Rolo-Flair dies because of marks on the tubing.

 Linn   

 



On 7/9/2011 11:56 PM, William Curtis wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->  RV10-List message posted by: William Curtis<wcurtis(at)nerv10.com (wcurtis(at)nerv10.com)>

 

Kelly,

I beg to differ but in certified aircraft that I am familiar, (Cessna)

flexible lines are used only where absolutely necessary. The

preference by certified aircraft designers is to use hard lines as

 much as practicable if only so that there is no life limit on the

line.



This was driven home to me when I stood on the rear door of a C-17 and

looked up at all the hydraulic plumbing.  With all those movable parts

 and doors, NOT a single flexible line --not even at the actuators.

Where the line required movement, solid lines with mechanical (banjo

style) flexible fluid couplings were used.  I took a picture of it but

I have to find it.

 

I know some Pipers use a short flexible line between their fuel tanks

and the fuselage fuel coupling.  However on the Cardinal that; when in

doubt I ask "what would Cessna do" just as with Vans, flexible lines

 are kept to a minimum and used only where absolutely necessary.



In the Cardinal fuel system, there are NO flexible lines.  In the

Cardinal electro-hydraulic gear system there are only four short

flexible lines at the nose and main gear actuators.  In the

 retractable gear Cardinal, the brake line in the main gear is a solid

line.  A the top of the RG brake line is a solid mechanical swivel

fitting and only on the lower portion by the wheel is a short easily

replaced flexible line used--remember this is a retractable gear

 aircraft.



The point in all this is that hard lines ARE the standard in the

certified and military world in most areas and flexible lines are the

exception.  Flexible lines are used only where hard lines are

 impractical or expensive such as the movable mechanical (banjo type)

fluid connectors.



Just an alternative $0.02.



William

N237VX

On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:25, Kelly McMullen<apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>  wrote:

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->  RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>

 

Van's would consider adding flex lines about the same time as they

consider stocking the correct nose wheel. They won't change the nose

wheel even though the correct one is exactly the same price. Flex

 lines could add over $100 to the cost, especially if you include flex

lines in place of the crummy nylon lines in the cabin. Somehow we have

been deluded into wanting durability similar to certified

aircraft...............what a crazy idea.

 

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, E&  T Andrews<etandrews(at)westnet.com.au (etandrews(at)westnet.com.au)>  wrote:

  Vans should consider including the

  	  Quote: 	
		  flexible hose lines in the RV10 kit... has this been raised with Vans

before?



all the best



 Evan Andrews

	
	
	




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