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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

Sean and I just got back from Three Forks, Montana and had a great time running in the race up there today.  We represented our RV-10 group pretty good, I think.  

There were about 30 planes running in the race and the weather was perfect, the Sacajawea Hotel there is great with a very good restaurant and they did a good job organizing everything.  

If you are ever in the area it would be a fun place to stop over for a night and enjoy the quaint town and small town airport.  

It was a 126nm course and pretty flat.  

[url=http://skyvector.com/?ll=46.279034266559776,-111.48933232054838&chart=2&zoom=2&plan=A.K1.9S5:G.45.920575,-111.598836111111:G.46.1729888888889,-111.444588888889:G.46.4756514476783,-111.44686483511053:G.46.64361517265527,-111.69404283432735:G.46.6338166666667,-111.709080555556:G.46.5229166666667,-111.587744444444:G.46.334675,-111.532911111111:G.46.24555,-111.489669444444:G.45.87005,-111.956233333333:G.45.8205666666667,-111.869438888889:G.45.8037055555556,-111.751522222222:A.K1.9S5][/url]Sean's plane is still very new and I was surprised at how close we both were but we do have the same engine and prop.  He is still breaking in the engine and we have some tweaking to do on the ailerons.

I averaged 204.6 mph and Sean was 203.8.  

I don't have all the results but the -10 was right there and sometimes faster than the -6's, -7's and -8's.  

I'll do it again.  

 

Scott Schmidt



   

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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

The airport is at 4080 ft. 

Max power was 25 inches and I ran between 2500 and 2600 RPM. 

Fuel flow was 19-20 gph and I flew 500-1000 ft agl. 

-Scott



Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com (robin(at)painttheweb.com)> wrote:



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Scott,

 What general engine settings are you flying in a race like that. MP (max I assume), RPM? At what ALT is the race conducted plus fuel burn when racing? 

 

Thanks, 

Robin

  

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Subject: Big Sky Air Race

 

Sean and I just got back from Three Forks, Montana and had a great time running in the race up there today.  We represented our RV-10 group pretty good, I think.   



There were about 30 planes running in the race and the weather was perfect, the Sacajawea Hotel there is great with a very good restaurant and they did a good job organizing everything.   



If you are ever in the area it would be a fun place to stop over for a night and enjoy the quaint town and small town airport.  



 It was a 126nm course and pretty flat.  



 



Sean's plane is still very new and I was surprised at how close we both were but we do have the same engine and prop.  He is still breaking in the engine and we have some tweaking to do on the ailerons. 



I averaged 204.6 mph and Sean was 203.8.  



I don't have all the results but the -10 was right there and sometimes faster than the -6's, -7's and -8's.   



I'll do it again.  

 



Scott Schmidt

  



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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Big Sky Air Race

They updated the speeds from a miscalculation and now they are showing Scott averaged 211.91 mph

Sean averaged 211.08 mph



I thought second wasn't that bad until I realized Scott was the only other one in my class!

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

Given the factory performance spec for 2200 gross, top speed is 211, I'd 

say you are right there.

http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10per.htm

On 7/10/2011 4:54 PM, Strasnuts wrote:

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 They updated the speeds from a miscalculation and now they are showing Scott averaged 211.91 mph

 Sean averaged 211.08 mph



 I thought second wasn't that bad until I realized Scott was the only other one in my class!



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 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345824#345824

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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

Sounds like fun.  How do they judge the course?  People on the ground?

 GPS trackers?  I'm just wondering what strategy works best for the

turns.



Are there official rules somewhere?



My wife flies the Hayward Air Rally every year.  The rule book is

pretty detailed.



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

831-750-0284 Cell



On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Strasnuts <sean(at)braunandco.com> wrote:

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 They updated the speeds from a miscalculation and now they are showing Scott averaged 211.91 mph

 Sean averaged 211.08 mph



 I thought second wasn't that bad until I realized Scott was the only other one in my class!



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 40936

 RV-10 SB N801VR Flying





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345824#345824

Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

They had 3 or 4 spots setup with spotters and wouldn't tell us which ones 

had them.  They did a good job showing pictures of the turn sites and GPS 

coordinates.  Once we were flying we used the GPS for the track and 

referenced the pics to get us over the right landmark.  It made it easy. 

Having TCAS was great to see exactly where the plane in front and behind 

was.  I passed an RV7 who was placed between Scott and me.  Here is a link 

to their website.



http://bigskyairrace.org/BSAR/The_Race.html



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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

Nice.  We'll have to give it a try.



Thanks!



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

831-750-0284 Cell



On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com> wrote:

[quote] 



 They had 3 or 4 spots setup with spotters and wouldn't tell us which ones

 had them.  They did a good job showing pictures of the turn sites and GPS

 coordinates.  Once we were flying we used the GPS for the track and

 referenced the pics to get us over the right landmark.  It made it easy.

 Having TCAS was great to see exactly where the plane in front and behind

 was.  I passed an RV7 who was placed between Scott and me.  Here is a link

 to their website.



 http://bigskyairrace.org/BSAR/The_Race.html



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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

I am stunned at how close you two are when considering ALL the variables. I

assume general piloting skills could make several MPH difference alone. What

that difference percentage wise a third of one percent?

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		  > Scott averaged 211.91 mph

> Sean averaged 211.08 mph

Did you guys just go racing or did you tape up the gaps & seams. I assume
	


flying solo, low fuel and all that?



As Bill would sign off



Robin "dreaming of formation flight but love hearing about racing" Marks

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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

Since I trained Sean in the RV-10 I would expect about the same results......we were trying to decide who is the "wingman" while we were up there. 

No taping or anything. I flew the same as I do any day I fly. I even had my bags and tools in the back. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 10, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 I am stunned at how close you two are when considering ALL the variables. I

 assume general piloting skills could make several MPH difference alone. What

 that difference percentage wise a third of one percent?

>> Scott averaged 211.91 mph

>> Sean averaged 211.08 mph

 Did you guys just go racing or did you tape up the gaps & seams. I assume

 flying solo, low fuel and all that?

 As Bill would sign off

 Robin "dreaming of formation flight but love hearing about racing" Marks

 --

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: Big Sky Air Race

I really think my average speed was closer to 204mph for the race if we took out the tailwind we had. The majority of the time my TAS was right around 177knots. When we started the race we had a good tailwind going north and my GS was around 230 mph and then southbound I dropped lower and didn't have the same headwind. 

Either way I had not pushed the plane like that and measured my speeds.  I am usually just climbing up and setting a nice cruise power setting.  I was actually surprised at how the RV-10 compared with the -7's and -8's and there was one Bonanza that was there that ran 1 mph faster than us.

I will forward the actual results. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:31 PM, Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 Since I trained Sean in the RV-10 I would expect about the same results......we were trying to decide who is the "wingman" while we were up there. 

 No taping or anything. I flew the same as I do any day I fly. I even had my bags and tools in the back. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 10, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> I am stunned at how close you two are when considering ALL the variables. I

> assume general piloting skills could make several MPH difference alone. What

> that difference percentage wise a third of one percent?

>>> Scott averaged 211.91 mph

>>> Sean averaged 211.08 mph

> Did you guys just go racing or did you tape up the gaps & seams. I assume

> flying solo, low fuel and all that?

> 

> As Bill would sign off

> 

> Robin "dreaming of formation flight but love hearing about racing" Marks

> 

> 

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