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Matt Dralle
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 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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Dear Listers,
The NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver kit arrived today. Included in the box were the following:
1ea ADS600-B Transceiver Unit
1ea DB37 Connector w/ Shell
2ea RG-142 BNC Antenna Coax Cables (terminated on one end)
1ea Wireless receiver option (802.11)
1ea End User License sheet
1ea Attention Warning sheet
Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
1ea Installation Manual
1ea Instruction Manual
1ea Wiring Diagram
2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
1ea UAT Antenna
1ea GPS Antenna
Attached are a couple of pictures of what I received.
Looking over the NavWorx web site, I'm not finding anywhere to download instruction manuals or installation manuals. Am I suppose to buy the UAT and GPS antennas separately? I didn't see these available separately on the NavWorx web site when I ordered the package.
I called and left NavWorx a voicemail.
At this point, I'm kind at a loss...? :-/
Matt
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
1ea Installation Manual
1ea Instruction Manual
1ea Wiring Diagram
2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
1ea UAT Antenna
1ea GPS Antenna
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Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types of antennas is not known.
Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
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civengpe
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:16 am Post subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I thought you could get the GPS data from it.
Shannon On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)> wrote:> --> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)>
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Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
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> 1ea Installation Manual
> 1ea Instruction Manual
> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
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| Quote: | > 1ea UAT Antenna
> 1ea GPS Antenna
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>
Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types of antennas is not known.
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| Quote: | Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
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| Quote: | Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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I didn't know the ga-56 was supported. It wasn't listed in the manual that I have. I guess I need to get an updated manual. I'm currently stuck in his backlog queue waiting for mine to arrive.
I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna under the empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to stay clear of the VS.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com> wrote:
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Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
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> 1ea Installation Manual
> 1ea Instruction Manual
> 1ea Wiring Diagram
> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
> 1ea UAT Antenna
> 1ea GPS Antenna
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>
Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types of antennas is not known.
Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:31 am Post subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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The ads600-b has an internal gps, all you have to supply is the antenna.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I thought you could get the GPS data from it.
Shannon On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" <[url=mailto:gary(at)wingscc.com]gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)[/url]> wrote:> --> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <[url=mailto:gary(at)wingscc.com]gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)[/url]>
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Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>
> 1ea Installation Manual
> 1ea Instruction Manual
> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
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| Quote: | > 1ea UAT Antenna
> 1ea GPS Antenna
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>
Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types of antennas is not known.
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| Quote: | Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
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| Quote: | Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
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civengpe
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:38 am Post subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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I was trying to avoid a third GPS antenna if possible.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:
[quote]The ads600-b has an internal gps, all you have to supply is the antenna.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I thought you could get the GPS data from it.
Shannon
On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" < (gary(at)wingscc.com)gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)> wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" < (gary(at)wingscc.com)gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)>
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Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>
> 1ea Installation Manual
> 1ea Instruction Manual
> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
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| Quote: | > 1ea UAT Antenna
> 1ea GPS Antenna
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>
Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types of antennas is not known.
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| Quote: | Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
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| Quote: | Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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One does have to wonder just how many satellites you would miss that
were shadowed by the vertical stab. Seems like you would still have more
than 300 degree view of the sky there.
Has anyone had success with GPS antenna under the cabin cover(without
making holes in the fiberglass)? Seems like there shouldn't be a problem
behind the door posts where there is no honeycomb.
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I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna under the empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to stay clear of the VS.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "orchidman"<gary(at)wingscc.com> wrote:
> The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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I know the feeling, I have four.
Gtn-650
Ads600b
Aprs
Garmin/afs for efis backup
Fortunately, two can sit on the glareshield
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]I was trying to avoid a third GPS antenna if possible.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Bob Leffler <[url=mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com]rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)[/url]> wrote:
| Quote: | The ads600-b has an internal gps, all you have to supply is the antenna.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Shannon Hicks <[url=mailto:civeng123(at)gmail.com]civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
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Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I thought you could get the GPS data from it.
Shannon
On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" < (gary(at)wingscc.com)[url=mailto:gary(at)wingscc.com]gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)[/url]> wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" < (gary(at)wingscc.com)[url=mailto:gary(at)wingscc.com]gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)[/url]>
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Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
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> 1ea Installation Manual
> 1ea Instruction Manual
> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
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| Quote: | > 1ea UAT Antenna
> 1ea GPS Antenna
>
>
Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types of antennas is not known.
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| Quote: | Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
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I tried giving ARINC from a 530W to the 600 for GPS data but it didn't
work. Bill told me (then) that it had to have a dedicated GPS
antenna. I was in a rush so I tried both types of antennas from a 496
with no success, but the small external antenna from a 696 works like
a champ. It sees something like 12 sats, in the hangar.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
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Watsonville, CA 95076
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831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I
thought you could get the GPS data from it.
Shannon
On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com> wrote:
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> Matt Dralle wrote:
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>> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>>
>> 1ea Installation Manual
>> 1ea Instruction Manual
>> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
>> 1ea UAT Antenna
>> 1ea GPS Antenna
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>>
>
> Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times
> getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been
> sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you
> conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise
> the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the
> 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown
> and the types of antennas is not known.
> Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several
> others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin
> GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local
> AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind
> the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit
> in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber
> glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
>
> Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is
> a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you
> are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is
> really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to
> see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older
> -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I
> had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
>
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> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> (N2GB Flying)
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My old GNS-480 antenna is what I used. I had to get a new
antenna when the GNS-480 update was done a couple years
ago. I put it under the VS fairing, which I think Gary
copied from me, not that it matters, but he did it because
I was having great luck there. Normally I wouldn't put
a GPS antenna in a crappy spot, but in this particular
case, the GPS isn't for my own navigation, so I wasn't
as particular. All I need are 4 satellites and it gets
more than that by far.
I myself understand why they don't include the antennas.
It gives you the ability to choose a certified model if
you're putting it in a certified plane, or an experimental
antenna of your choice, and connector type choice. So it
isn't surprising. The sad thing is just the communication
of that being left out should be better, and as we noted,
the .pdf manual should be made available online.
To answer the question on can't you feed it GPS from
some other system, yes you can, but it's a very specific
GPS signal...that has something called TimeMark and
something about pulse-per-second. So if you feed it
an external GPS, it needs to be a specific flavor. To me
it was just as easy to use the built-in and hide the
antenna because I didn't want just one more topside wart
for not reason either. The GNS480 with the latest
software, was able to provide the proper GPS signal.
I'm not sure between the 430/430W/530/530W/and new models
which ones would support that proper GPS signal...but
if you figure that one out and have one that works, you
could use that GPS to feed the ADS600B.
Once you get the system up and running it's pretty slick.
I've had a few flights as of recent, 2 times to OSH now
in the last week, and yesterday I could see traffic over
10 miles away that was going to be a factor, and I was able
to adjust course and bypass them. Last Friday as I was
flying in a MOA, I saw F-somethings in the Restricted
bombing range doing maneuvers, and could watch them zip
around me...they were dang fast. One flew overhead
last week and I could tell that since I was busting into
the MOA, he climbed and did a little circle above me to
get a visual, and then went about his day. I don't
use the WX features, but the traffic is very nice to have
and it blows away my Mode S transponder for traffic.
Also, I'd encourage people with problems with NavWorx or
ANY vendor, to communicate....not just with the forum, but
hound the vendor. You'll find that sometimes you need to
kick the vendor in the pants a little, but if you're nice,
and you ask questions without negative insinuations, you
can develop a good relationship and work through issues
much better. I haven't worked with too many vendors
yet that have been perfect at doing their business...it
seems that even the nice ones have issues sometimes. But,
I've found that by keeping a good relationship you can
end up a very happy customer.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 7/20/2011 7:00 AM, orchidman wrote:
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Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>
> 1ea Installation Manual
> 1ea Instruction Manual
> 1ea Wiring Diagram
> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
> 1ea UAT Antenna
> 1ea GPS Antenna
Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types of antennas is not known.
Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
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There is a gentleman on VAF offering a GPS antenna as a decal that can
go top center of the windshield behind the center post. Uses a BNC
connector and price IIRC is reasonable. I expect to use one for one of
GPSs.
On 7/20/2011 7:08 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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My old GNS-480 antenna is what I used. I had to get a new
antenna when the GNS-480 update was done a couple years
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I think the FG is still pretty thick back there. The VS fairing would
be thinner ...... and there's a whole lot of aircraft out there flying
with the GPS antenna on the glareshield.
I like the glareshield mountiung .... shorter coax, less weight (those
ounces add up!) and easier installation.
Linn
On 7/20/2011 8:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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One does have to wonder just how many satellites you would miss that
were shadowed by the vertical stab. Seems like you would still have
more than 300 degree view of the sky there.
Has anyone had success with GPS antenna under the cabin cover(without
making holes in the fiberglass)? Seems like there shouldn't be a
problem behind the door posts where there is no honeycomb.
On 7/20/2011 5:26 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna
> under the empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to
> stay clear of the VS.
>
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "orchidman"<gary(at)wingscc.com> wrote:
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>> The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of
>> the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover
>> between the tail section and the vertical stab.
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| rleffler wrote: | I didn't know the ga-56 was supported. It wasn't listed in the manual that I have. I guess I need to get an updated manual. I'm currently stuck in his backlog queue waiting for mine to arrive.
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It's not listed even in the new manual but it is pulling in 12 sats.
| Quote: | | I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna under the empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to stay clear of the VS. |
Works great. I seem to be pulling in at least 9 and mostly 12. I mounted it the same place Tim mounted his antenna (different type though). The front 2 screws go into the turtle back, and the coax comes up on the aft side of the bulkhead. The only sat that would be blocked would be any one directly over head and aft.
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Bill said a GA35 GPS antenna works fine. CI-105 works for the xponder.
Garmin 430W, etc. don't support digital antenna out stream (and may never). So you have no choice but to use the built-in ADS600 GPS + extra antenna.
I found a manual on their website, but can't seem to locate it now. Navworx sent me the latest version: "ADS600-B Installation Manual 240-0008-00-14.pdf" (email me offline if you wish to get a copy).
The newer doc has at least one addition that I hadn't noticed before: ADS600 Pin35 "Transponder Suppression Input". The power wire size (two inputs) is way oversubscribed for the required current draw.
I'm planning to pull wire for ADS600 connections to external connector to facilitate easy future access / expansion as required.
Notes from Bill at Navworx:
1) GTX330 to ADS600 shows shield grounds on both ends of ARINC connection. Only one shield ground is required.
Notes from Carlos at GRT:
1) GRT doesn't currently support built-in Maintenance Serial port connects shown for HX display in WD-1008-00.pdf GRT doc. Wire to DB9 as shown in Navworx install doc.
2) ADS600-Pin25 "TISA TX" to EFIS is not supported by GRT. I don't know why... ADS600 offers ARINC connect to GTX330, so maybe it doesn't matter.
3) EFIS Serial Out 7 "Display TX" to ADS600 is not supported at present. Okay to wire, but leave it turned off in the EFIS for now.
So my 3 screen GRT to ADS600B connections are as follows:
ADS600: Maint Port RX-Pin 4 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port TX-Pin 22 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port GND-Pin 3 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: ALT Enc Serial RX-Pin 7 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin1 (Serial Out 6)
ADS600: ALT TIS TX-Pin 25 --- Not Connected
ADS600: ALT Enc GND-Pin6 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin17 GND
ADS600: Display Serial TX-Pin 5 --- To GRT DU1B,2A,3A-Pin23 (Serial IN 7)
ADS600: Display Serial RX-Pin 24 --- To GRT DU2B-Pin22 (Serial OUT 7) Note: Wired, but GRT Port to be disabled.
~~~ Other connections are
ADS600: ARINC IN1B-Pin28 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2B-Pin28
ADS600: ARINC IN1A-Pin09 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2A-Pin30
ADS600: UAT Fail OUT-Pin 14 --- Wire to ext connector for future use
ADS600: Transponder Suppression Input-Pin35 --- Wire to ext connector for future use.
Regards,
Jay
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Corrections to after additional input from Navworx...
ADS600B connection list for GRT HX:
ADS600: Maint Port RX-Pin 4 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port TX-Pin 22 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port GND-Pin28 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: ALT Enc Serial RX-Pin 7 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin1 (Serial Out 6)
ADS600: ALT TIS TX-Pin 25 --- Not Connected (provided by Display)
ADS600: ALT Enc GND-Pin6 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin17 GND
ADS600: Display Serial TX-Pin 5 --- To GRT DU1B,2A,3A-Pin23 (Serial IN 7)
ADS600: Display Serial RX-Pin 24 --- To GRT DU2B-Pin22 (Serial OUT 7)
Wire for future GRT support. Disable Serial OUT 7.
~~~ Other connections are
ADS600: ARINC IN1B-Pin28 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2B-Pin28
ADS600: ARINC IN1A-Pin09 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2A-Pin30
ADS600: UAT Fail OUT-Pin 14 --- Wire to ext connector for future use
ADS600: Transponder Suppression OUT-Pin35 --- Not connected
(provided by GTX330 ARINC)
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I was just drilling there this a.m. There is a small gap between the top
and bottom layer, which was perfect for me inserting a cleco, but I
wasn't aware that signal attenuation was of particular concern with
regard to glass thickness, since it allegedly is pretty transparent to RF.
On 7/20/2011 8:21 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
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I think the FG is still pretty thick back there. The VS fairing would
be thinner ...... and there's a whole lot of aircraft out there flying
with the GPS antenna on the glareshield.
I like the glareshield mountiung .... shorter coax, less weight (those
ounces add up!) and easier installation.
Linn
On 7/20/2011 8:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>
> One does have to wonder just how many satellites you would miss that
> were shadowed by the vertical stab. Seems like you would still have
> more than 300 degree view of the sky there.
> Has anyone had success with GPS antenna under the cabin cover(without
> making holes in the fiberglass)? Seems like there shouldn't be a
> problem behind the door posts where there is no honeycomb.
> On 7/20/2011 5:26 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna
>> under the empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to
>> stay clear of the VS.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "orchidman"<gary(at)wingscc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor
>>> of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass
>>> cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
>
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Listers,
I got a voicemail and a nice email from Bill at NavWorx this morning. He confirmed that the unit doesn't normally come with the antennas anymore, but he graciously offered to send me a UAT antenna free of charge. That was really nice. Bill also included the latest version of the installation/operation manual in PDF format along with his email. He said that they are working on adding the manuals to the web site, probably in August sometime.
So, I'm good to go. I'll report later on my installation experience. Looking at the wring diagrams, it seems like it should be pretty straightforward connecting up between the GRT HX's and the 327.
Matt
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At 07:22 PM 7/19/2011 Tuesday, Matt Dralle wrote:
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The NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver kit arrived today. Included in the box were the following:
1ea ADS600-B Transceiver Unit
1ea DB37 Connector w/ Shell
2ea RG-142 BNC Antenna Coax Cables (terminated on one end)
1ea Wireless receiver option (802.11)
1ea End User License sheet
1ea Attention Warning sheet
Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
1ea Installation Manual
1ea Instruction Manual
1ea Wiring Diagram
2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
1ea UAT Antenna
1ea GPS Antenna
Attached are a couple of pictures of what I received.
Looking over the NavWorx web site, I'm not finding anywhere to download instruction manuals or installation manuals. Am I suppose to buy the UAT and GPS antennas separately? I didn't see these available separately on the NavWorx web site when I ordered the package.
I called and left NavWorx a voicemail.
At this point, I'm kind at a loss...? :-/
Matt
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Possible to attach the manual here? Am wanting to buy this but did want to review the manual.
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On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:32 PM, "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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Corrections to after additional input from Navworx...
ADS600B connection list for GRT HX:
ADS600: Maint Port RX-Pin 4 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port TX-Pin 22 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port GND-Pin28 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: ALT Enc Serial RX-Pin 7 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin1 (Serial Out 6)
ADS600: ALT TIS TX-Pin 25 --- Not Connected (provided by Display)
ADS600: ALT Enc GND-Pin6 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin17 GND
ADS600: Display Serial TX-Pin 5 --- To GRT DU1B,2A,3A-Pin23 (Serial IN 7)
ADS600: Display Serial RX-Pin 24 --- To GRT DU2B-Pin22 (Serial OUT 7)
Wire for future GRT support. Disable Serial OUT 7.
~~~ Other connections are
ADS600: ARINC IN1B-Pin28 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2B-Pin28
ADS600: ARINC IN1A-Pin09 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2A-Pin30
ADS600: UAT Fail OUT-Pin 14 --- Wire to ext connector for future use
ADS600: Transponder Suppression OUT-Pin35 --- Not connected
(provided by GTX330 ARINC)
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