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neilcolliver(at)maxnet.co
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: Your advice please

Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.



Here are my plans & reasons.



We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 

hours complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short 

strips / beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7! 

(Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something 

bigger, and faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow  to 

get anywhere.



Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4 

people & decent fuel)



An RV 10 would enable a good chunk of us to go places here in NZ.



My wife & I both have our PPL's, me with 250 hrs, her with 120 hours+2 

babies in the same time span! -  I know who worked harder!



We can't afford or justify the Cheltons & most, if not all of our 

flying will be VFR around middle earth, often just for an hour locally.



So, our choice and reason are as follows.



RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build 

in Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.

Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some 

antenas



IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air 

(more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl



Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)



LED lights from Thor LLC



Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!



Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?



Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had 

a recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to 

bring the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.



But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue 

Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot). 

Also gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but 

have no future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)



Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2 

completely separate EFIS's for safety.



Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS



Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just 

upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at 

best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.



EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends



PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ



Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in 

NZ, even with state of the art ELT's.



I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would 

appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the 

whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?



Thanks



Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++

N Island, NZ.

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jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: Your advice please

What is the question?  You want permission to do a -10?  Yes!  Do one!

Seats 4, though.  Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of something

more permanent!  (insert smiley face here) 



John Jessen

  328 Tailcone 



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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: Your advice please

5 kids - better get a Murphy Moose . . . that would handle that strip,

too.



TDT



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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: Your advice please

Your thoughts look ideal to me, heck a Garmin 396, transponder, radio stack, ACS has a great engine monitor/EFIS that just came out and is very reasonable. You don't need the Cheltons, you can still go all electric Heck your doing what Van says his idea and RV should be. Use the standard panel that comes with the kit, no need to spend a lot of money on an aftermarket panel. Look at the Colorada -10's very conventional but great looking panels. There didn't look like there were any obstructions at your field. I say go for.



Rick S.

40185

Fuse/finish

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: Your advice please

I agree, a Murphy Moose, and a big case of condoms so you don't

need to buy a King Air and move to a big strip.



If not a Moose, maybe a pair of -10 so everyone can fly somewhere. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:

[quote] 

 

 

 5 kids - better get a Murphy Moose . . . that would handle that strip,

 too.

 

 TDT

 

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: Your advice please

Neil,



  If you are wondering weather or not a 550m strip is long enough, it should be under most conditions if you are comfortable with grass.  I myself will be operating out of a 1400ft grass strip where the average summer temps are around 100F.  I have talked to several people that are used to flying the -10 now and they don't think it will be a problem most of the time.  Exception would be heavy or a wet field on landing.



  I am also building to that mission profile and going with a new engine and a 3 blade prop for the climb performance.  I will probably also be extending out the runway to 2500ft in the future.  If the -10 is making it's published numbers, I feel fairly comfortable with a 1400' grass strip.  But I also flew skydivers for many years off of a grass strip in a gross loaded C182 that had a beat engine.



  Hope this helps!



Michael Sausen

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: Your advice please

Whatever plane you decide to get, don't stop having kids, contrary to what

others may suggest.  If not having a TV works, then don't buy one.  Not

having one seems to be working for us.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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neilcolliver(at)maxnet.co
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: Your advice please

John,



Permission not needed. We are all agreed. It's just finding the right 

combination.



A good & fun wife who fly's is much more entertaining than a TV. Ever 

had a good conversation with your TV?



More children is an excuse for more planes when your wife loves flying.



Early morning here in NZ, sun is rising on a beautiful cold clear day. 

I am afraid to say I left my other half in bed keeping an an on the 

children while I went for a fly.



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Neil

On 17 May 2006, at 7:36, John Jessen wrote:



[quote] 



 What is the question?  You want permission to do a -10?  Yes!  Do one!

 Seats 4, though.  Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of 

 something

 more permanent!  (insert smiley face here)



 John Jessen

   328 Tailcone



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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: Your advice please

In a message dated 5/16/06 4:20:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rvbuilder(at)sausen.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  If you   are wondering weather or not a 550m strip is long enough 	


 

 According to my calculator that 1,804' and I'm sure the DA in NZ is certainly not the same as in summer AZ...

  

 Patrick

  

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: Your advice please

Look into a Sherpa, I think you can get all 7 in there. Awesome looking 

aircraft with awesome STOL performance and great looks.  Go light on the 

panel to save $$$$ for the plane and engine.



Just my other wish list.



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John G. 409

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Neil Colliver <neilcolliver(at)maxnet.co.nz>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Your advice please

Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:01:22 +1200

Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.



Here are my plans & reasons.



We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours 

complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips / 

beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7! (Something 

to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger, and faster. 

(70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow  to get anywhere.



Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4 

people & decent fuel)


	




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An RV 10 would enable a good chunk of us to go places here in NZ.



My wife & I both have our PPL's, me with 250 hrs, her with 120 hours+2 

babies in the same time span! -  I know who worked harder!



We can't afford or justify the Cheltons & most, if not all of our flying 

will be VFR around middle earth, often just for an hour locally.



So, our choice and reason are as follows.



RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build in 

Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.

Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some antenas



IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air 

(more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl



Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)



LED lights from Thor LLC



Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!



Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?



Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had a 

recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to bring 

the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.



But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue 

Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot). Also 

gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but have no 

future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)



Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2 

completely separate EFIS's for safety.



Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS



Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just 

upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at 

best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.



EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends



PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ



Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in NZ, 

even with state of the art ELT's.



I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would 

appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the 

whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?



Thanks



Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++

N Island, NZ.

indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: Your advice please

One child and no T. V. 10 years now, and still having a lot of adult fun.  

Everything on the tube is either negative news or makes you fearful to leave 

the house for fear of death and having a CSI investigation in your front 

yard.



Better to let the neighbors see the plane in the garage.



Jg. 409



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[quote]From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)itecusa.org>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Your advice please

Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:19:19 -0500






Whatever plane you decide to get, don't stop having kids, contrary to what

others may suggest.  If not having a TV works, then don't buy one.  Not

having one seems to be working for us.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: Your advice please

One child and no T. V. 10 years now,(NPR only) and still having a lot of 

adult fun.  Everything on the tube is either negative news or makes you 

fearful to leave the house for fear of death and having a CSI investigation 

in your front yard.



Better to let the neighbors see the plane in the garage.



Jg. 409



Do Not archive

[quote]From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)itecusa.org>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Your advice please

Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:19:19 -0500






Whatever plane you decide to get, don't stop having kids, contrary to what

others may suggest.  If not having a TV works, then don't buy one.  Not

having one seems to be working for us.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: Your advice please

Ah, so.  Just saw your attachment.  Yes, as Rick S stated, you don't have to

break the bank for a great panel.  And, as Michael S pointed out, this is a

heavy hauler that may not take as much punishment as a 182, and not as

easily loaded, but can get in and out equally as well.   



As for the rest, you describe a very wonderful life style choice and have

been blessed with a wonderful partner and children.  Can't beat that.  Enjoy

to the fullest!   



John Jessen

  ~328 Tailcone 



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