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neilcolliver(at)maxnet.co
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 Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: Rv-10 advice |
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Hi guys
Thanks for all your comments about bigger or more suitable planes &
how to stop children:-)
Great to hear so many of you having fun without TV;-)
However,.....
Is my proposed set up about right?
RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build
in Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.
Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some
antenas
IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air
(more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl
Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)
LED lights from Thor LLC
Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!
Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?
Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had
a recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to
bring the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.
But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue
Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot).
Also gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but
have no future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)
Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2
completely separate EFIS's for safety.
Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS
Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just
upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at
best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.
EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends
PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ
Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in
NZ, even with state of the art ELT's.
I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would
appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the
whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?
Thanks
Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++
N Island, NZ.
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: Rv-10 advice |
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I think the reason you're not getting super-specific replies is
that most of the items aren't relevant to you enjoying your
RV-10, and could go any number of ways and still be "right".
You're really the only one who knows what's right for you.
RV-10 QB: Nice, but you're going to pay more...and you said you're
kind of on a budget. With 2 people, full-time, you probably can't
build it in 1300 hours, but doing a slow build may only take you
3 months extra or possibly even less, if you're truly building full
time.
Sure, get a prop, FWF Kit, Wiring harness and antennas from Vans.
Get the antennas anywhere and you're find.
I know people love their engine companies, but really,
you're going to be happy with an IO-540 with or without the
cold air induction and James cowl. They may be nice, but
necessary....certainly not. Your RV-10 will fly beautifully
either way, and I would doubt that if the plane is "safe"
to take off your short field with the Cold Air induction,
that it would be "unsafe" without it....if it is, then
you're crazy to be cutting it that close anyway.
The small things, like LED's, are too minor to even worry about.
Just pick those things while you build, and don't buy everything
immediately....just by being part of the online building
community you'll have bits of head-turning info that show
up regularly that will affect your choices.
As for panels, if you're looking to save money, the Lancair panel
will not save you any, and considering you want it built in a
minimal timeframe, you would do best if you plan to have them
build it to pay for it up front at the time you buy your tail
kit, because yes, their lead time is probably that long.
Figure a full year these days, and that's if they don't screw
you on delivery as is being so common with their customers.
You mentioned VFR, but then wanting Blue Mountain for HITS.
Seems contradictory. If you want some nice looking stuff
that will do more than VFR, you can choose Blue Mountain, or
save even more and buy Rob Hickman's stuff, which looks very
good. Grand Rapids is currently about as good as you can get
for functionality on a budget, but the graphics don't hold
a candle to the AFS stuff. Again though, especially going
VFR only, there isn't too much of a way to go wrong on your
panel, and the Cheltons would certainly be overkill if
you're on a tighter budget, especially if VFR.
All the other stuff is minor as well. Use whatever you
feel the best about paying for. Your choices certainly
aren't bad ones. It's going to be impossible to have
any one concept "blessed" as perfect, because perfect has
many different meanings to everyone. If it feels right
for you, it probably is.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Neil Colliver wrote:
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Hi guys
Thanks for all your comments about bigger or more suitable planes & how
to stop children:-)
Great to hear so many of you having fun without TV;-)
However,.....
Is my proposed set up about right?
RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build
in Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.
Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some antenas
IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air
(more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl
Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)
LED lights from Thor LLC
Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!
Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?
Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had
a recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to
bring the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.
But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue
Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot).
Also gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but
have no future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)
Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2
completely separate EFIS's for safety.
Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS
Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just
upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at
best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.
EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends
PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ
Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in
NZ, even with state of the art ELT's.
I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would
appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the
whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?
Thanks
Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++
N Island, NZ.
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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: Rv-10 advice |
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Sounds pretty good. You will make the best progress by working on it daily, you would be surprised how much taking little breaks causes you to "get up to speed" again which adds lot's of hours. 1300 hours might still be pushing it though.
Not familiar with BRE but based on the cold air induction comment I'm guessing you meant Barrett. I think that's a good choice but hey, I bought his engine so I'm biased. I also like James cowl and will be going with it, and his plenum, even if I don't get the cold air. You may also want to look at the Forsling exhaust which is only a couple hundred more than the Vetterman and is ceramic coated. Allen has seen a little better HP out of the Forsling also.
If you don't mind loosing a little top end the 3 blade MT isn't a whole lot more expensive and will give you better climb and smoothness. I like the Aerocomposite but that's just waaaay to much for my budget.
Not familiar with Thor either, I went with Bill Dube's LED's and like them so far.
Lancair panel, order now and you *might* have it when you need it. If you are going to stick with a fairly straight forward panel there is no reason not to tackle it yourself. You could always go with the Approach Systems HUB if you hate wiring or don't want to risk prodding your avionics into giving up their black magic smoke.
As for the BMA stuff, I like it but it's always in a state of flux. I am actually going to use a Lite G4 for my backup instruments. Stay away from their autopilot though and get a Trutrak. BMA had an overcenter event on an installation, thankfully it was on the ground at the time. I believe they fixed the problem but that is some seriously bad mojo to mess with. Just the thought of an overcenter control makes me break out in a cold sweat.
Everything above is solely the opinion of a mad man and is not to be taken as anything resembling good advice. YMMV, FWIW, SNAFU, FUBAR, etc. 
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: Rv-10 advice |
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I agree with a lot of things Tim said and a lot of things Michael said. Basically, going with more than a Dynon or similar EFIS, TruTrak auto pilot and a portable GPS (with maybe a few cheap backups) is more than enough for VFR. If you are going IFR, then the whole world changes. Although I really like the BMA stuff (from what I have seen in pictures), I would not even consider other than a TruTrak autopilot. If you are wanting a good panel reasonably and made it good time, I have not heard anything bad about Stein, and he also has a fiberglass panel that he sells, and he does a great job of panel work from everything I have seen. The lancair guys do good work, but I have heard too many horror stories (including a price quote that I asked for) to even consider that route, mainly on timing.
On the engine, I don’t think you can go wrong with a BPA engine. I agree with Tim that if the normal 260HP engine won’t do your field, then the cold air induction and James cowl won’t be safe either, even if they do just put you over the edge. I love the idea of the BPA engine with high-compression pistons, Cold air induction, P-mags and a James cowl (the ceramic exhaust sounds great too), though. That would be a sweat-looking and high-performing plane…wait, any RV-10 with an IO-540 fits this category.
On the 1300 hours, that all depends. If you plan on flying like a certain individual that was at Oshkosh last year with 120 gallon fuel capacity, he probably didn’t have much (if any) more than 1300 hours in his slow-build -10. Getting a plane flying without fiberglass finishing and paint is at most a 75% complete airplane. We have put at least 500 hours in that process on N415EC. It is worth it, but take that out of 1300 and you have 800 hours to finish a quickbuild, which is way low, I would say. I don’t remember the name, but to the guy who is selling his 90% completed kit that doesn’t have the cabin top on yet, you are probably more like about 70% done at best, unless you plan to fly like JN.
This is all IMHO. Do not archive.
GOD BLESS!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:58 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Rv-10 advice
Sounds pretty good. You will make the best progress by working on it daily, you would be surprised how much taking little breaks causes you to "get up to speed" again which adds lot's of hours. 1300 hours might still be pushing it though.
Not familiar with BRE but based on the cold air induction comment I'm guessing you meant Barrett. I think that's a good choice but hey, I bought his engine so I'm biased. I also like James cowl and will be going with it, and his plenum, even if I don't get the cold air. You may also want to look at the Forsling exhaust which is only a couple hundred more than the Vetterman and is ceramic coated. Allen has seen a little better HP out of the Forsling also.
If you don't mind loosing a little top end the 3 blade MT isn't a whole lot more expensive and will give you better climb and smoothness. I like the Aerocomposite but that's just waaaay to much for my budget.
Not familiar with Thor either, I went with Bill Dube's LED's and like them so far.
Lancair panel, order now and you *might* have it when you need it. If you are going to stick with a fairly straight forward panel there is no reason not to tackle it yourself. You could always go with the Approach Systems HUB if you hate wiring or don't want to risk prodding your avionics into giving up their black magic smoke.
As for the BMA stuff, I like it but it's always in a state of flux. I am actually going to use a Lite G4 for my backup instruments. Stay away from their autopilot though and get a Trutrak. BMA had an overcenter event on an installation, thankfully it was on the ground at the time. I believe they fixed the problem but that is some seriously bad mojo to mess with. Just the thought of an overcenter control makes me break out in a cold sweat.
Everything above is solely the opinion of a mad man and is not to be taken as anything resembling good advice. YMMV, FWIW, SNAFU, FUBAR, etc.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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