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rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
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 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: Facebook and other technology |
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I changed the subject since this has moved to a different topic. No need to keep mentioning Gary’s story if this thread has nothing to do with that.
From: Jonathan Beasley (jbeasley(at)nc.rr.com)
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:36 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Bill brings up a good point and I have yet to call Vans support line.
Van if you are listening (yes, I know no one is listening) the idea behind "enterprise" social media is a smart company, like Vans, would invest in an enterprise platform which allows them to easily combine, consume, monitor, participate, etc. in all forms of media. The goal is to engage all of their customers (young and old, high tech and low tech) in their media of choice, and combine all of information into one (virtual) location to the benefit of everyone… at the same time hiding the complexity to both internal users and external customers.
The good news for those who dislike social media — at some point in the future you can take advantage of social media with out actively participating… at least you won't know you are activity participating. For the Star Trek fans… social media is the Borg and "resistance is futile". I dislike social media for many reasons (security, lack of direct face-to-face interaction, virtual world) but… resistance is futile.
Jonathan
41236 -- Just starting wings (and waiting to see Bill fly at Lake Ridge)
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
Reply-To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 -0400
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: | Quote: | They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor everything in the house.
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speckter(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: Facebook and other technology |
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And it wasn't Gary's story either, Greg's
Gary Specketer
From: Pascal (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:58 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Facebook and other technology
I changed the subject since this has moved to a different topic. No need to keep mentioning Gary’s story if this thread has nothing to do with that.
From: Jonathan Beasley (jbeasley(at)nc.rr.com)
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:36 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Bill brings up a good point and I have yet to call Vans support line.
Van if you are listening (yes, I know no one is listening) the idea behind "enterprise" social media is a smart company, like Vans, would invest in an enterprise platform which allows them to easily combine, consume, monitor, participate, etc. in all forms of media. The goal is to engage all of their customers (young and old, high tech and low tech) in their media of choice, and combine all of information into one (virtual) location to the benefit of everyone… at the same time hiding the complexity to both internal users and external customers.
The good news for those who dislike social media — at some point in the future you can take advantage of social media with out actively participating… at least you won't know you are activity participating. For the Star Trek fans… social media is the Borg and "resistance is futile". I dislike social media for many reasons (security, lack of direct face-to-face interaction, virtual world) but… resistance is futile.
Jonathan
41236 -- Just starting wings (and waiting to see Bill fly at Lake Ridge)
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
Reply-To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 -0400
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: | Quote: | They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor everything in the house.
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: Facebook and other technology |
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My bad there.
On 8/22/2011 11:42 AM, Gary Specketer wrote: [quote] And it wasn't Gary's story either, Greg's
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Gary Specketer
From: Pascal (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:58 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Facebook and other technology
I changed the subject since this has moved to a different topic. No need to keep mentioning Gary’s story if this thread has nothing to do with that.
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From: Jonathan Beasley (jbeasley(at)nc.rr.com)
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:36 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
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Bill brings up a good point and I have yet to call Vans support line.
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Van if you are listening (yes, I know no one is listening) the idea behind "enterprise" social media is a smart company, like Vans, would invest in an enterprise platform which allows them to easily combine, consume, monitor, participate, etc. in all forms of media. The goal is to engage all of their customers (young and old, high tech and low tech) in their media of choice, and combine all of information into one (virtual) location to the benefit of everyone… at the same time hiding the complexity to both internal users and external customers.
Â
The good news for those who dislike social media — at some point in the future you can take advantage of social media with out actively participating… at least you won't know you are activity participating. For the Star Trek fans… social media is the Borg and "resistance is futile". I dislike social media for many reasons (security, lack of direct face-to-face interaction, virtual world) but… resistance is futile.
Â
Jonathan
41236 -- Just starting wings (and waiting to see Bill fly at Lake Ridge)
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From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
Reply-To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 -0400
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
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Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: | Quote: | They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor everything in the house.
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ronics.com/contribution
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: Facebook and other technology |
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Ken Scott...not to be confused with Ken K. Does Monitor & Relay the chatter. I would think the VANs Aircraft Kit Company might have chosen more wisely than facebook and discussion of improvements began here "years ago".
This is just an example how Out of Touch that I am with Social Media Marketing.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:44 am Post subject: Facebook and other technology |
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Yeah, that would be the same person that denies there is any problem with the nose wheel and axle, that there are any problems with their quick build QC, any tunnel problem, any problem with the doors, and so on.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com (rv10pro(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Ken Scott...not to be confused with Ken K. Does Monitor & Relay the chatter. I would think the VANs Aircraft Kit Company might have chosen more wisely than facebook and discussion of improvements began here "years ago".
This is just an example how Out of Touch that I am with Social Media Marketing.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject: Facebook and other technology |
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You folks who are always complaining about the poor quality of Van's kit's and want improvements should band together and develop/market a kit that meets their specs. Seems to me there is an opportunity being missed here.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:38:47 PM
Subject: Re: Facebook and other technology
Yeah, that would be the same person that denies there is any problem with the nose wheel and axle, that there are any problems with their quick build QC, any tunnel problem, any problem with the doors, and so on.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com (rv10pro(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Ken Scott...not to be confused with Ken K. Does Monitor & Relay the chatter. I would think the VANs Aircraft Kit Company might have chosen more wisely than facebook and discussion of improvements began here "years ago".
This is just an example how Out of Touch that I am with Social Media Marketing.
John 40600
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Kellym
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:05 pm Post subject: Facebook and other technology |
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I have NO problem with Van's manufactured parts. I do have problems with
QB assemblies that are not built to the plans. Stuff like trailing edge
rivets poorly squeezed instead of driven double flush as plans call for.
Longerons not cut to length, and riveted in place with skin dimpled
without the longeron being countersunk to match. Parts missing. When you
pay an extra $10,000 to have things done, with marketing assuring high
quality construction, and you get quality that A&P instructors would
reject from their students, I think you have a right to bitch. Don't get
me wrong...most of the work is good quality, but the errors on the
remaining 5% leave a sour taste.
On 8/22/2011 1:48 PM, davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net wrote:
| Quote: | You folks who are always complaining about the poor quality of Van's
kit's and want improvements should band together and develop/market a
kit that meets their specs. Seems to me there is an opportunity being
missed here.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
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*From: *"Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
*To: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Sent: *Monday, August 22, 2011 3:38:47 PM
*Subject: *Re: Facebook and other technology
Yeah, that would be the same person that denies there is any problem
with the nose wheel and axle, that there are any problems with their
quick build QC, any tunnel problem, any problem with the doors, and so on.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com
<mailto:rv10pro(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
Ken Scott...not to be confused with Ken K. Does Monitor & Relay
the chatter. I would think the VANs Aircraft Kit Company might
have chosen more wisely than facebook and discussion of
improvements began here "years ago".
This is just an example how Out of Touch that I am with Social
Media Marketing.
John 40600
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