Matronics Email Lists :: View topic - OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RotaxEngines-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

JohnF

Joined: 13 May 2010
Posts: 124

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

I earlier posted and said 1.479 oz/liter tof ZDDP  to bring Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 up to about 1,500 PPM of ZDDP. Recall, I said IF  my calculations were correct;  they were  not. Use 1/4 oz per liter...more doesn't hurt and it isn't expensive  either, but a 3-liter oil change only needs 3/4 oz of ZDDP that will  take the Aeroshall from about 800ppm up to 1,500ppm.

  

 Sorry about my earlier error (and I was a math  major too...darn.)

  

 JohnF 

   [quote][b]

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

Well here I am having to correct myself on a post. I had heard from a top person (we'll leave it at that) about the lack of ZDDP in Aero Shell Sport Plus 4. You would have thought they knew. But I just had someone send me this document that actually shows otherwise. So never let it be said I won't fix my mistakes. Aero Shell according to an MSDS sheet has 1% -2% of ZDDP. That actually translates to 1000ppm - 2000ppm. So the bottom line is I was misinformed and now it is corrected and Aero Shell Sport Plus 4 is good. So enjoy your Aero Shell. 

I know some of you are tickled you won't need to switch. Now I need to have a chat with my Rotax source.

Aero Shell MSDS attached for proof.



What a PITA!

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

Sport 4 oil.pdf

Description:

Aero Shell Sport Plus 4 MSDS

Download

Filename:

Sport 4 oil.pdf

Filesize:

41.88 KB

Downloaded:

567 Time(s)

_________________
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056

Last edited by Roger Lee on Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:13 pm; edited 1 time in total

lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

 	  Roger Lee wrote: 	
		  Well here I am having to correct myself on a post. I had heard from a top person in Rotax about the lack of ZDDP in Aero Shell Sport Plus 4. You would have thought they knew. But I just had someone send me this document that actually shows otherwise. So never let it be said I won't fix my mistakes. Aero Shell according to an MSDS sheet has 1% -2% of ZDDP. That actually translates to 1000ppm - 2000ppm. So the bottom line is I was misinformed and now it is corrected and Aero Shell Sport Plus 4 is good. So enjoy your Aero Shell. 

I know some of you are tickled you won't need to switch. Now I need to have a chat with my Rotax source.

Aero Shell MSDS attached for proof.



What a PITA!  	




Hey Roger,

Nah, no worries. You're still the Master of the Universe of Rotax in my book . Good to know the aeroshell has enough of this additive anyway. Like I said, so far I've had the cleanest mag plugs at my oil changes with the aeroshell, tho it was always fine with the other oils I used. So I'm pretty sure nothing is chewing itself up in the engine so far. 425 hours and it's still running fine.



LS

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

_________________
LS
Titan II SS

Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

Hi Lucien,



Thanks.

I try to be diligent about my post, but I got blindsided on this one. OUCH

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

_________________
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

Roger,

I hate to rain on your apology but 1,000 ppm equals 1,000/1,000,000 = 1/10th of 1% and 2,000ppm = 2/10th of 1%. Looking at it the other way, 1% equals 10,000ppm and 2% equals 20,000ppm. Has this helped confuse the situation? 

  

Thom in Buffalo

  



On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com (ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

  [quote]--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com (ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com)>

   

 Well here I am having to correct myself on a post. I had heard from a top person in Rotax about the lack of ZDDP in Aero Shell Sport Plus 4. You would have thought they knew. But I just had someone send me this document that actually shows otherwise. So never let it be said I won't fix my mistakes. Aero Shell according to an MSDS sheet has 1% -2% of ZDDP. That actually translates to 1000ppm - 2000ppm. So the bottom line is I was misinformed and now it is corrected and Aero Shell Sport Plus 4 is good.

   I know some of you are tickled you won't need to switch. Now I need to have a chat with my Rotax source.

 Aero Shell MSDS attached for proof.

 

 What a PITA!  [Embarassed]

 

 --------

 Roger Lee

 Tucson, Az.

 Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated

 Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated

 Home [url=tel:520-574-1080]520-574-1080[/url]  TRY HOME FIRST

 Cell [url=tel:520-349-7056]520-349-7056[/url]

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350490#350490

 

 

 

 

 Attachments:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com//files/sport_4_oil_374.pdf

 

 

 

 

 ===========

 -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

 ===========

 http://forums.matronics.com

 ===========

 le, List Admin.

 ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 ===========

 

 

 

 [b]

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

_________________
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)

Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous

dashwood

Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Posts: 73
Location: sw ontario canada

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

glad to hear this. thank you for posting the update.  i went looking for zddp additive today. only one guy in three stores even heard of it a long time ago. even the race shop didn't know where to get it.. cuz there special oils had it already and didn't need extra.. . but that oil not on recommended list for rotax.

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

_________________
Ross Alexander: CH701 driver 912ul 788tt
It only takes two things to fly, airspeed and money

markdonahue(at)earthlink.
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:36 pm Post subject: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

Let me see, isn't 1% equal to 10.0000 ppm, or is my math not correct?

Mark Donahue



--

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

artglaser(at)sbcglobal.ne
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

One percent is 1 million divided by 100.  This is 1x10ee6 / 1x10ee2 = 1x10ee4.

Therefore 1% is 10,000 ppm.  1000 ppm is 1/10 percent.



--- On Wed, 8/24/11, mark donahue <markdonahue(at)earthlink.net> wrote:

From: mark donahue <markdonahue(at)earthlink.net>

Subject: RE: Re: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 9:28 PM




Let me see, isn't 1% equal to 10.0000 ppm, or is my math not correct?

Mark Donahue



--

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: OIL ZDDP Additive amount UPDATE

I think they might have meant to say .1% and .2%.

- The Matronics RotaxEngines-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List

_________________
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RotaxEngines-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum