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jac.vanheeswijk(at)hetnet
Guest

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

The Factory Tech Talk page in the March edition of the Europa Flyer =

describes the substitution of the nose leg bungee by two metal springs. =

This modification was initiated in the Netherlands by Nico Groot and in =

the meantime several dutch builders have applied it in their trigears. =

These springs were developed and made by the same dutch factory and they =

were also used by Ian Rickard in his PFA approved mod nr. 71.

Might any builder want a set of these springs for immediate delivery, I =

have ordered 10 pairs at the factory in order to save on machine =

installation expenses. This way I have now 6 pairs left at the cost =

price of 100,00 Euro (GBP 67,00 - US$ 125,00) a pair plus shipment =

(priority shipment to Canada was 30 Euro last week, USA will be about =

the same, England  ??).



I don't want to make a profit, just maybe an investment in some =

prospective friends. One of these days I will be shipping some pairs to =

England (Lincolnshire). For 3 or 4 people this is a chance to get a pair =

without delay at a cheap price. First in first out. If somebody is =

interested let him take contact with me. Email works best!



Jack van Heeswijk, the Netherlands (394, almost flying)

Gary.Leinberger(at)miller
Guest

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

I tale a pair - how can we arrange payment?



Gary Leinberger

A237

Lancaster, PA

USA



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From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jac van =

Heeswijk

Sent: Fri 5/12/2006 3:17 PM

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Steel nose wheel springs




<jac.vanheeswijk(at)hetnet.nl>



The Factory Tech Talk page in the March edition of the Europa Flyer 

describes the substitution of the nose leg bungee by two metal springs. =



This modification was initiated in the Netherlands by Nico Groot and in =



the meantime several dutch builders have applied it in their trigears. =



These springs were developed and made by the same dutch factory and they =



were also used by Ian Rickard in his PFA approved mod nr. 71.

Might any builder want a set of these springs for immediate delivery, I =



have ordered 10 pairs at the factory in order to save on machine 

installation expenses. This way I have now 6 pairs left at the cost 

price of 100,00 Euro (GBP 67,00 - US$ 125,00) a pair plus shipment 

(priority shipment to Canada was 30 Euro last week, USA will be about =



the same, England  ??).



I don't want to make a profit, just maybe an investment in some 

prospective friends. One of these days I will be shipping some pairs to =



England (Lincolnshire). For 3 or 4 people this is a chance to get a pair =



without delay at a cheap price. First in first out. If somebody is 

interested let him take contact with me. Email works best!



Jack van Heeswijk, the Netherlands (394, almost flying)

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themorgans(at)fairadsl.co
Guest

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Hi Jac,

G-MFHI based at Rochester,Kent would be very interested in buying a set of 

springs. Please contact me with details (if there are any left).

Thanks Andrew.

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alan(at)kestrel-insurance
Guest

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Hi Jack



I would like a set of your springs if you have any left.Just let me know

where and to send the money.



Many Thanks



Alan



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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Wasn't there a builder in the US who was going to have some springs made?  I 

can't recall the name.  What ever happened to that project?



Garry Stout

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jac.vanheeswijk(at)hetnet
Guest

Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Gary, I am sorry to tell you that I can't help you. I just had 5 pairs of

springs left. They were gone within an hour after I posted my email.



Despite that: Happy building. Jack



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jac.vanheeswijk(at)hetnet
Guest

Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Alan, I am sorry to tell you that I can't help you. I just had 5 pairs of 

springs left. They were gone within an hour after I posted my email.



Despite that: Happy building. Jack

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flyinggpa(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

I called Europa04 and ordered my springs    Mod 71.



Cliff Shaw

1041 Euclid ave.

Edmonds, WA 98020

425 776 5555

http://www.europaowners.org/WileE

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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

How much do they cost..........$US ?



Garry Stout



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rholder(at)avnet.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Jac van Heeswijk wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   The Factory Tech Talk page in the March edition of the

 Europa Flyer = describes the substitution of the nose

 leg bungee by two metal springs. = This modification

 was initiated in the Netherlands by Nico Groot and in =

  the meantime several dutch builders have applied it in

 their trigears. = These springs were developed and made

 by the same dutch factory and they = were also used by

 Ian Rickard in his PFA approved mod nr. 71.

 

 

 Might any builder want a set of these springs for

 immediate delivery, I = have ordered 10 pairs at the

 factory in order to save on machine = installation

 expenses. This way I have now 6 pairs left at the cost

 = price of 100,00 Euro (GBP 67,00 - US$ 125,00) a pair

 plus shipment = (priority shipment to Canada was 30

 Euro last week, USA will be about = the same, England

 ??).


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I don't want to make a profit, just maybe an investment

 in some = prospective friends. One of these days I will

 be shipping some pairs to = England (Lincolnshire). For

 3 or 4 people this is a chance to get a pair = without

 delay at a cheap price. First in first out. If somebody

 is = interested let him take contact with me. Email

 works best!


	




I would like a pair. How can I pay you ? Maybe a dual ship

with someone else here in England.



Anyways I want to get on the list



Thanks



Richard Holder

G-OWWW High Cross

+44 (0) 1279 842804

tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Hi Gentlemen,



I live very close to that Dutch factory. It would be wise to make a big 

list, as long as possible and order all springs together. I arranged 10 

pairs for Jac van Heeswijk and payed them cash, so I didn't have to pay VAT. 

The price was about 82 Euros a pair. Jac has already supported them all to 

his Europa friends

The more you order, the cheaper they will be because the cost isn't the 

material (stainless steel) but the "settings" of the machinery. 20 pair of 

springs will cost less than 10 and 50 les than 20. The only point is that I 

have to pay those guys cash to avoid taxes. I don't know what the prices are 

to sent it to other countries, but if you arrange mogas in the uk for me I 

can also fly them to the UK for you (Not to far from the channel crossing) 

for you in my Europa. That's a lot cheaper for a large number of springs 

toghether ans you have also the opportunity to see how it is fitted in my 

bird. The max load in the Europa is 40 kg, so I can carry +/- 40 piars of 

springs in one trip in my hold, if it should be more I can find other Dutch 

Europa friends to join me with their birds......



Regards, Tim.



Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands

PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914 AP332





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rholder(at)avnet.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:08 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Tim Weert wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I live very close to that Dutch factory. It would be

 wise to make a big list, as long as possible and order

 all springs together. I arranged 10 pairs for Jac van

 Heeswijk and payed them cash, so I didn't have to pay

 VAT. The price was about 82 Euros a pair. Jac has

 already supported them all to his Europa friends The

 more you order, the cheaper they will be because the

 cost isn't the material (stainless steel) but the

 "settings" of the machinery. 20 pair of springs will

 cost less than 10 and 50 les than 20. The only point is

 that I have to pay those guys cash to avoid taxes. I

 don't know what the prices are to sent it to other

 countries, but if you arrange mogas in the uk for me I

  can also fly them to the UK for you (Not to far from

 the channel crossing) for you in my Europa. That's a

 lot cheaper for a large number of springs toghether ans

 you have also the opportunity to see how it is fitted

 in my bird. The max load in the Europa is 40 kg, so I

 can carry +/- 40 piars of springs in one trip in my

 hold, if it should be more I can find other Dutch 

 Europa friends to join me with their birds......

 

 Regards, Tim.

 

 Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914

 AP332


	


Team



It looks as if we need another order. I will co-ordinate

the English end. If anyone who wants a pair of these

springs and hasn't yet got them would like to email me

direct (rholder(at)avnet.co.uk) I will co-ordinate with Tim.



If that is OK with you Tim ? I will give you details of my

field and will have MOGAS available for you when it comes

to the delivery stage  Also the money !



[Gary. if you want some I will bring them over in Sept !]



[Actually that applies to anyone on the Western side of

the pond !]



Richard Holder

G-OWWW High Cross

+44 (0)1279 842804

+44 (0)7860 367423

peter.rees01(at)tiscali.c
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Whats the score with fitting these - are they approved by the PFA yet? If

so, has Mod 71 been published? (there was some talk about clips to prevent

the possibility of the springs coming off the end of the cross tube etc.



Peter



___________________________________________________________



Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup!

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

flyinggpa(at)COMCAST.NET
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

All



I hate to be the one to have to say this.



Europa04 is the only proper supplier of Mod 71.  Here I am on the west =

side of the west side of the pond and I have to remind you guys to =

support your airplane manufacture.  I am sure other have the same =

thought as I, but are too polite to say a work.



I am not so polite.  I say "buy the Mod 71 from Europa 04"  and do the =

modification according to the correct paperwork.



Cliff Shaw

1041 Euclid ave.

Edmonds, WA 98020

425 776 5555

http://www.europaowners.org/WileE

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tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Hi Clif,



For your information, the springs we designed and ordered in Holland are the 

ones which were used to get the PFA approval. I flew them to Fairoaks last 

year myself for Ian and Ivor to get their UK PFA approaval. Our aircraft 

were used for the prototype springs and testing. The Dutch springs are the 

ones which set the standard. We made the modifications and if I order them 

for you guys, you'll get the specs. discribed in the Mod made via Ian 

Rickard for the PFA approval.

Remember, it is the design of Nico Groot, kopied by me, Rob and Jac. Nico 

did the engeneering and we did the testing and pioneering on 4 Dutch 

Europa's. (PH-AMD, PH-IEN, PH-JAI and the PH-LOB) It is not a Factory Mod. 

Originally Andy from Europa 04 wasn't interested last year at Kemble at all 

(!), when I showed him my prototype springs. Ian and Ivor were the ones who 

made this Mod official in the UK.



The higher the number I place in a order for you all, the lower the price. 

But, I do it for you, not for myselve. I don't want to earn a penny out of 

it. For me it is a hobby. If you don't want them, be my guest. It saves me a 

lot of time and effort....

Regards, Tim.



Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands

PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914 AP332

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BEBERRY(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

I think Tim is doing a fantastic job and we should do our best to take him  

up on his very generous offer.

 

Tim - how about those of us living in the West Country i.e. Somerset for  me? 

- How near can we get a pick up if we order?

 

Patrick

jodel(at)nildram.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:02 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

I have to say that I'm with Cliff on this one, especially for those working

under the PFA.

Mod 71 is "factory approved" and is therefore (relatively) free of

paperwork. Unless the Dutch springs have "standard mod" status then surely a

45 mod fee will be payable?



Use it, or lose it comes to mind. How long would the factory last if we all

went and purchased parts direct from other suppliers?



Simon

steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.
Guest

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Hear, hear. Without taking anything away from the Dutch guys who introduced

the concept and the early springs, Ian Rickard and Terry Clarke, in the UK,

have put a lot of work in for Europa 04, recognised by Andy and the Company,

to design, supply and support Europa with Mod 71, at no gain to themselves.

Please support the Company.

Steve Pitt G-SMDH #403

junkaddress05(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Thanks to Nico Groot , Ian Rickard and all those involved in producing mod 71 and making it available to the rest of us- and the factory. Having now read the PFA paperwork I'm puzzled as to why the springs are a left and right handed pair rather than two identical springs.

I'm sure there is a good reason and perhaps I should ask Nico or Ian directly, but I thought the answer would be of general interest....   

Bill  & Sue



Trigear 465 fitting the springs...

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tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl
Guest

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Steve,



I cannot find MOD 71 on the Europa site. According my information it is an 

Europa Club MOD. I have the approval data from Ian Rickart who did the 

approval request with the English PFA. The data is based on the properties I 

have placed on the website of http://www.europaowners.org



If it would be an official Europa04 MOD, I agree you all have to order them 

by Andy.  If Europa04 doesn't trade, they cannot survive. Europa04 and Andy 

deserve it! It's is important for all Europa builders and owners to keep 

Europa 04 alive! In that case I keep my hands off.

But unfortunately I didn't see a "MOD71"on their website jet....(?)



So, until it is just an Europaclub MOD, the MOD is based on Nico's data, our 

experience and we payed much more for our  springs because we ordered just 

one set in a time for ourselves.......Nico and Rob even had also the first 

set of springs installed which were not tight enough. So they are the real 

pioneers.

  I didn't earn a penny out of it, (it only cost me money to order, collect 

for Europafilles and fly them to diverent places) neather did Nico or Jac. 

For us it's just a part of the hobby. The only diverence Ian made was that 

we originally used two springs completely the same. In the offical Club Mod 

describtion there is a left winded and right winded ciol spring (mirror) 

with the same properties. That is what we changed in the last order for Jac.

Our springs are made from stainless steel and after one and a half year of 

service I can tell you it works fine !



Lets first see what the status is of "MOD 71".



Regards, Tim.



Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands.

#460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332



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