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Bob Turner
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I have the YIO-540 ordered directly from Vans. It came with the Airflow Performance injection system.
My cylinder #5 has always been the first to reach peak EGT when leaning. I pulled the injector, thinking it might be dirty. It wasn't, but I noticed it had a band around it, indicating that it was the smallest of the three standard injectors AFM sells. Does anyone know if this is the usual setup? I didn't look at any other cylinder. Are they all "one banded"?
Bob
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:19 am Post subject: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Mine have single bands, which are .028".
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Bob Turner
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:49 am Post subject: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Okay, I"m confused. I have a copy of an Airflow manual which says one band is .022, no band is .028".
Maybe the manual is out of date? Or just incorrect?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:44 am Post subject: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year. They start out small don't they.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:34 pm Post subject: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adjustment was changing out the .028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder. What I can tell you is that when you're doing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different days, with different wind directions, and different temps, power settings, altitudes.... it all seems to matter... then just when you think you've got it, it'll change a little on you. Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph and temp settings, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon.
Don McDonald
Flying this wonderful machine!
From: rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
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Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year. They start out small don't they.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Must have been where I came up with .028". I also have new YIO-540 and it has .022-.023" nozzles. Mfr is Precision Airmotive, LLC. Smaller nozzles keep the pressure up for better atomization.
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partner14
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:57 pm Post subject: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Not sure how much better it can get... I cruise with TAS around 190mph burning between 8.8 and 10 gph.
Don
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Must have been where I came up with .028". I also have new YIO-540 and it has .022-.023" nozzles. Mfr is Precision Airmotive, LLC. Smaller nozzles keep the pressure up for better atomization.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Once I get my plane flying and “broken in” I’ll fly out to Pecan and we’ll get the settings worked out. Sounds like you’re a guru! specially with those Gph. I just filled ONE tank and it was $200.. ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- reality is sinking in.
Pascal
From: Don McDonald (building_partner(at)yahoo.com)
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adjustment was changing out the .028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder. What I can tell you is that when you're doing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different days, with different wind directions, and different temps, power settings, altitudes.... it all seems to matter... then just when you think you've got it, it'll change a little on you. Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph and temp settings, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon.
Don McDonald
Flying this wonderful machine!
From: rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
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Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year. They start out small don't they.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Big deal.... fill the motorhome!
From: Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
Once I get my plane flying and “broken in” I’ll fly out to Pecan and we’ll get the settings worked out. Sounds like you’re a guru! specially with those Gph. I just filled ONE tank and it was $200.. ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- reality is sinking in.
Pascal
From: Don McDonald (building_partner(at)yahoo.com)
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adjustment was changing out the .028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder. What I can tell you is that when you're doing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different days, with different wind directions, and different temps, power settings, altitudes.... it all seems to matter... then just when you think you've got it, it'll change a little on you. Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph and temp settings, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon.
Don McDonald
Flying this wonderful machine!
From: rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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Subject: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
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Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year. They start out small don't they.
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Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
Read this topic online here:
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:40 pm Post subject: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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I recently flew back commercial from Atlanta with my family.
4 bags at $25.00 each
4 bags at $35.00 each
1 7 lb. Dog at $200
Tips, Taxi's etc..
Zero time on the hobbs.
While I feel your pain I prefer filling the tanks to flying commercial.
Robin
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com (building_partner(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]Big deal..... fill the motorhome!
From: Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)>
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
Once I get my plane flying and broken in Ill fly out to Pecan and well get the settings worked out. Sounds like youre a guru! specially with those Gph. I just filled ONE tank and it was $200.. ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- reality is sinking in.
Pascal
From: Don McDonald (building_partner(at)yahoo.com)
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:31 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adjustment was changing out the .028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder. What I can tell you is that when you're doing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different days, with different wind directions, and different temps, power settings, altitudes... it all seems to matter... then just when you think you've got it, it'll change a little on you. Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph and temp settings, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon.
Don McDonald
Flying this wonderful machine!
From: rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com (wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com)>
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:44 PM
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Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year. They start out small don't they.
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Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
Read this topic online here:
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Bob Turner
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Mystery solved. After a very nice email from Don at AirFlow Performance, it seems I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not Performance, fuel injection system. And they use different nomenclature: The "one banded" restrictors from Precision are .028" (while one band from Performance means .022").
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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And the "Performance" give substantially more control at adjusting LOP operations. There are several other benefits not stated. PLUS Don and his wife are small business owners striving hard to make it right. The Precision guys are big business and many Certified Assessories.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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Not sure I see the advantages. My RSA on my certified Lycoming will
easily run 70-80 LOP, and has stock nozzles.
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And the "Performance" give substantially more control at adjusting LOP
operations. There are several other benefits not stated. PLUS Don
and his wife are small business owners striving hard to make it
right. The Precision guys are big business and many Certified
Assessories.
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Performance, it seems I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not
Performance, fuel injection system. And they use different
nomenclature: The "one banded" restrictors from Precision are .028"
(while one band from Performance means .022").
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
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I don't think that's being completely straight forward. They may be a good small company and great folks, but there is nothing about the system that makes it better at running LOP than the other...you can use the same injector inserts to tune either system and running LOP is routinely done by many with precision systems too. The product should be evaluated on its true merits or differences....not made up ones.
Tim
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Is that correct? e.g., can the airflow performance restrictors fit in the Precision nozzles?
According to the Precision web site, they won't sell restrictors only - they want you to buy restrictors and nozzles as a matched set.
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Airflow restrictors fit fine in Precision system. I took my airplane
(with Precision FI) to Airflow a couple of years ago and spent the
afternoon with Kyle balancing my injectors.
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Is that correct? e.g., can the airflow performance restrictors fit
in the Precision nozzles?
According to the Precision web site, they won't sell restrictors
only - they want you to buy restrictors and nozzles as a matched set.
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I bought my restrictors from them. They are a great way to go. If they require a matched set that would be something new. I don't see why it would matter.
Tim
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Is that correct? e.g., can the airflow performance restrictors fit in the Precision nozzles?
According to the Precision web site, they won't sell restrictors only - they want you to buy restrictors and nozzles as a matched set.
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