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EdKranz
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I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years... but...
I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might consider this route.
I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
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wgreenley
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:29 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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I am looking for something like, my thought is that I will do the test
flying and other initial work with the used engine and at some point
have it overhauled. But an engine like this could well be good for
1000 hours. If it is currently flying on the other plane you can have
a careful checkout done which should give some confidence on what you
are getting, but obviously you can never be sure.
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I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years... but...
I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might consider this route.
I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
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Strasnuts
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:33 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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One advantage is a known good running engine during phase I and breakin.
Since it is brokin in, you won't have to worry about running on the ground
too much or glazing the cylinders before first flight. Also, isn't most of
the engine failures during the first few hours on an engine?
If the price is good and you trust it is a good running engine, I say go for
it.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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It's on VAF for 17.9k
Rick
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On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years... but...
I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might consider this route.
I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
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EdKranz
Joined: 29 Dec 2010
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Location: Hastings, MN
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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Thanks for the heads up. He didn't tell me he was going to do that.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Rick <ricksked(at)cox.net (ricksked(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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It's on VAF for 17.9k
Rick
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> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years... but...
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> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
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> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
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> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might consider this route.
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> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:18 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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I bought a zero time engine with new cam and first run crank, new mags and overhauled accessories (fuel pump, servo) completely new top end from Americas Aircraft engine for less that twice that. No core was required. My vote is to talk to AAE.
Rob Kermanj
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It's on VAF for 17.9k
Rick
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> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years... but...
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> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
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> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
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> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might consider this route.
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> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:18 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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Ed:
Make sure you know what the engine configuration is and what the rebuild history on it has been (specifically the size of the main and rod journals on the crankshaft) I would definitely want to know what the compression ratio was if I were you. Example, if it is a 10:1 compression engine, you’re likely going to be looking at an overhaul around 1,000 hours. I would also strongly suggest that you verify the engine and crankshaft number separately to make sure that the crankshaft is not affected by any of the Lycoming crankshaft ADs. Even though you are in an experimental application, you don’t want to have to buy a new crankshaft if that one is on any lists.
Just my opinion as I’d love the opportunity to sell you a new one, but if you can get a good deal, then who could blame you.
Regards,
Rhonda Barrett
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
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Thanks for the heads up. He didn't tell me he was going to do that.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Rick <ricksked(at)cox.net (ricksked(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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It's on VAF for 17.9k
Rick
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On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com (ed.kranz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years... but...
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> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
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> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>
> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might consider this route.
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> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
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> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:08 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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And figure that rebuild through a good shop like BPE could run you upwards of 24k. Trust me I've researched it. That's why engine number 2 will come from my good friends at BPE. Allen is not only smart he's cute too.... Or is that Rhonda? 
Rick
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Ed:
Make sure you know what the engine configuration is and what the rebuild history on it has been (specifically the size of the main and rod journals on the crankshaft) I would definitely want to know what the compression ratio was if I were you. Example, if it is a 10:1 compression engine, you’re likely going to be looking at an overhaul around 1,000 hours. I would also strongly suggest that you verify the engine and crankshaft number separately to make sure that the crankshaft is not affected by any of the Lycoming crankshaft ADs. Even though you are in an experimental application, you don’t want to have to buy a new crankshaft if that one is on any lists.
Just my opinion as I’d love the opportunity to sell you a new one, but if you can get a good deal, then who could blame you.
Regards,
Rhonda Barrett
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz
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Subject: Re: Should I pop on this IO540?
Thanks for the heads up. He didn't tell me he was going to do that.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Rick <[url=mailto:ricksked(at)cox.net]ricksked(at)cox.net (ricksked(at)cox.net)[/url]> wrote:
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It's on VAF for 17.9k
Rick
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> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years... but...
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> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
>
> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>
> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might consider this route.
>
> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
>
> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
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Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the old
Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that was
being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless they
first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if it wasn't,
than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines unless you open it up
and see what's inside, you're guessing it's fine.. that was not a risk I was
willing to take. I suppose documents and scopes would work..but I am
"trusting" it's accurate.
If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to assure
it's solid, you may be fine.
People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building already,
you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit but are willing
to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build.
Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off
their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will
have options.
Best of success!
Pascal
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Downsizing...be careful as I have never heard of any pilot wanting less power.
I would not buy it unless I saw some performance numbers for myself, researched, boroscoped and compression tested it. Also if older than 10 yrs you may have some age related issues to deal with.
If it is already removed then I would be a little suspicious. I know if I was going to sell my "Huge IO-540" running engine, it would be planned far enough in advance to allow potential buyers to fly with me or video it for them.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:04 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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It's currently on a Starduster. He wants to put on a shorter lighter 4 cylinder engine, and make a few bucks in the process.
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Downsizing...be careful as I have never heard of any pilot wanting less power.
I would not buy it unless I saw some performance numbers for myself, researched, boroscoped and compression tested it. Also if older than 10 yrs you may have some age related issues to deal with.
If it is already removed then I would be a little suspicious. I know if I was going to sell my "Huge IO-540" running engine, it would be planned far enough in advance to allow potential buyers to fly with me or video it for them.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:59 pm Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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Another option for someone buying said engine is to have it delivered to
one of the "name" engine shops to put on their test cell, run it to
verify its condition and performance, then pickle it to be ready for
install. That gets you a tested engine that you know is or isn't as
represented that won't need a break-in. Of course age of the overhaul as
well as hours of use are factors, as well as whether it is properly
configured with right mounts, and proper accessory location.
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Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the
old Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that
was being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless
they first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if
it wasn't, than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines
unless you open it up and see what's inside, you're guessing it's
fine.. that was not a risk I was willing to take. I suppose documents
and scopes would work..but I am "trusting" it's accurate.
If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to
assure it's solid, you may be fine.
People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building
already, you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit
but are willing to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
I would start the project first and order the engine later in the
build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need
to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as
well but you will have options.
Best of success!
Pascal
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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Snip >> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will have options.
I don't necessarily think that is an excellent price and as such with all the potential unknowns would have me following Pascal's suggestion and wait. A friend purchased a similar "sounding" engine for $10k. He is now flying and the engine was a good deal to get flying but it is making metal and it can not come close to the power generated by my BPE engine. He comments every time we take off in my -10.
See how quickly this engine showed up? The same thing will happen closer to the time you will actually need an engine. I say wait.
Robin
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On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:23 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
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Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the old Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that was being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless they first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if it wasn't, than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines unless you open it up and see what's inside, you're guessing it's fine.. that was not a risk I was willing to take. I suppose documents and scopes would work..but I am "trusting" it's accurate.
If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to assure it's solid, you may be fine.
People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building already, you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit but are willing to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will have options.
Best of success!
Pascal
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EdKranz
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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Thanks for all the input guys!
If I proceed, I'm going to have a friend of mine who's an A&P IA go thru it top to bottom. And thanks to all the info, I know a few more things I'm going to be looking for in the logs, and ask to have looked at.
I also feel better that a few of you say to wait. I don't want to go into any transaction feeling like it's the last chance for a deal.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com (robin(at)painttheweb.com)> wrote:
[quote]Snip >> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will have options.
I don't necessarily think that is an excellent price and as such with all the potential unknowns would have me following Pascal's suggestion and wait. A friend purchased a similar "sounding" engine for $10k. He is now flying and the engine was a good deal to get flying but it is making metal and it can not come close to the power generated by my BPE engine. He comments every time we take off in my -10.
See how quickly this engine showed up? The same thing will happen closer to the time you will actually need an engine. I say wait.
Robin
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On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:23 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)>
Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the old Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that was being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless they first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if it wasn't, than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines unless you open it up and see what's inside, you're guessing it's fine.. that was not a risk I was willing to take. I suppose documents and scopes would work..but I am "trusting" it's accurate.
If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to assure it's solid, you may be fine.
People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building already, you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit but are willing to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will have options.
Best of success!
Pascal
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Kellym
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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Yes, was offered an engine today. I will probably need one in 4-6
months. 250hp carbureted Aztec engine. 5 yrs and 200 hours since major,
narrow deck. No other information about who did the overhaul, etc.
Seller wants 20K. Selling because Aztec airframe is bent and worthless,
so trying to get his money back out of engines and avionics. I declined.
Also was A1D5 version which lacks fuel injection and better
counterweights in the C4B5 or A4D5
On 9/15/2011 3:20 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
[quote] Snip >> I would start the project first and order the engine later in
the build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even
need to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may
as well but you will have options.
I don't necessarily think that is an excellent price and as such with
all the potential unknowns would have me following Pascal's suggestion
and wait. A friend purchased a similar "sounding" engine for $10k. He
is now flying and the engine was a good deal to get flying but it is
making metal and it can not come close to the power generated by my
BPE engine. He comments every time we take off in my -10.
See how quickly this engine showed up? The same thing will happen
closer to the time you will actually need an engine. I say wait.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:23 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
<mailto:rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>> wrote:
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> <mailto:rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>>
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> Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the
> old Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
> Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that
> was being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me
> unless they first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new,
> but if it wasn't, than we would know for sure. When it comes to
> engines unless you open it up and see what's inside, you're guessing
> it's fine.. that was not a risk I was willing to take. I suppose
> documents and scopes would work..but I am "trusting" it's accurate.
> If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to
> assure it's solid, you may be fine.
> People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building
> already, you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit
> but are willing to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the
> build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need
> to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as
> well but you will have options.
> Best of success!
> Pascal
>
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: Should I pop on this IO540? |
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My rebuild cost approx 6k from a local shop. Of course, it would depend on condition. I would just put it on and run it. However, before they remove it have them properly preserve it. Preservation kits are approx $200.
Jerry Folkerts
On Thursday, September 15, 2011, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com (kellym(at)aviating.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, was offered an engine today. I will probably need one in 4-6 months. 250hp carbureted Aztec engine. 5 yrs and 200 hours since major, narrow deck. No other information about who did the overhaul, etc. Seller wants 20K. Selling because Aztec airframe is bent and worthless, so trying to get his money back out of engines and avionics. I declined. Also was A1D5 version which lacks fuel injection and better counterweights in the C4B5 or A4D5
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| Quote: | On 9/15/2011 3:20 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
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> Snip >> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will have options.
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| Quote: | > I don't necessarily think that is an excellent price and as such with all the potential unknowns would have me following Pascal's suggestion and wait. A friend purchased a similar "sounding" engine for $10k. He is now flying and the engine was a good deal to get flying but it is making metal and it can not come close to the power generated by my BPE engine. He comments every time we take off in my -10.
>> See how quickly this engine showed up? The same thing will happen closer to the time you will actually need an engine. I say wait.
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| Quote: | >> Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the old Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
>> Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that was being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless they first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if it wasn't, than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines unless you open it up and see what's inside, you're guessing it's fine.. that was not a risk I was willing to take. I suppose documents and scopes would work..but I am "trusting" it's accurate.
>>> If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to assure it's solid, you may be fine.
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| Quote: | >> People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building already, you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit but are willing to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
>>> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will have options.
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>>> Best of success!
[quote]>> Pascal
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