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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: Trip to Phoenix

I might have to fly down to Phoenix this week.   Looks like Deer Valley or

Scottsdale are the closest.....Deer Valley looks better from a cost

perspective.  Any opinions from the locals or other who have been down

there.  



I will be coming from Utah.



Rene'

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dlm34077(at)q.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: Trip to Phoenix

I will call later today. Inflight now



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On Sep 18, 2011, at 22:21, "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:



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 I might have to fly down to Phoenix this week.   Looks like Deer Valley or

 Scottsdale are the closest.....Deer Valley looks better from a cost

 perspective.  Any opinions from the locals or other who have been down

 there.  

 

 I will be coming from Utah.

 

 Rene'

 801-721-6080

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:54 am Post subject: Trip to Phoenix

Closest to your ground destination or shortest flight? Falcon or 

Chandler have significantly cheaper fuel prices. Most downtown Phoenix 

destinations are ~30 min drive from any of the area GA airports.  They 

all have nearby freeway access for quick trip into town at other than 

rush hour.

DVT is very busy with Chinese flight students. SDL is very busy with 

corporate jets. Deems is based at DVT and can give detailed current info 

there. There are a couple flying -10s at FFZ and at least one at CHD as 

well as several projects in various stages. The main thing to keep in 

mind for Phoenix area is that the Tracon generally does not work GA 

traffic for anything but the VFR transition cooridor over PHX, so you 

have to plan your descent to be underneath the Class B. (ie less 

friendly than SLC approach).



On 9/18/2011 8:21 PM, Rene wrote:

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 I might have to fly down to Phoenix this week.   Looks like Deer Valley or

 Scottsdale are the closest.....Deer Valley looks better from a cost

 perspective.  Any opinions from the locals or other who have been down

 there.



 I will be coming from Utah.



 Rene'

 801-721-6080

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KCHD

John Ackerman

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 130
Location: Prescott, AZ

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:01 am Post subject: Trip to Phoenix

I'll second all that stuff that Kelly wrote. DVT has a reputation for interminable taxi times. I haven't been to FFZ lately, but it used to be a great place to visit. I hear that it is busier now, too. 

If you get anywhere near the Phoenix class B, be exceedingly careful. Phoenix tracon is MUCH less GA friendly than the other tracons in the western US. They will commonly give vectors into the B without corresponding clearance. If that happens, it's the pilot who takes the punishment, and the likelihood that you will be violated if you bust the B is high. Watch out. Be especially careful on takeoff from FFZ to the SW. 

The way I like to handle it is to use flight following and get a B clearance if  Phoenix tracon will issue one. Sometimes they will, sometimes they won't, and it's not necessarily related to the amount of traffic you hear on whatever frequency you're on.

Be aware of the Luke AFB SATR airspace west of Phoenix. Special rules apply, see:

http://www.luke.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-081107-056.pdf

You must talk to Luke RAPCON. Lots of F16s there.

On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

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 Closest to your ground destination or shortest flight? Falcon or Chandler have significantly cheaper fuel prices. Most downtown Phoenix destinations are ~30 min drive from any of the area GA airports.  They all have nearby freeway access for quick trip into town at other than rush hour.

 DVT is very busy with Chinese flight students. SDL is very busy with corporate jets. Deems is based at DVT and can give detailed current info there. There are a couple flying -10s at FFZ and at least one at CHD as well as several projects in various stages. The main thing to keep in mind for Phoenix area is that the Tracon generally does not work GA traffic for anything but the VFR transition cooridor over PHX, so you have to plan your descent to be underneath the Class B. (ie less friendly than SLC approach).

 On 9/18/2011 8:21 PM, Rene wrote:

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> I might have to fly down to Phoenix this week.   Looks like Deer Valley or

> Scottsdale are the closest.....Deer Valley looks better from a cost

> perspective.  Any opinions from the locals or other who have been down

> there.

> 

> I will be coming from Utah.

> 

> Rene'

> 801-721-6080

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:23 am Post subject: Trip to Phoenix

I think we lost our connection again.  Thanks for the info.  I think I will

try Falcon.  Let you know how it goes.



Rene' Felker

N423CF

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: Trip to Phoenix

Just as bad as the taxi delays...they will land you on the north runway, 

often making you turn off the runway to the north, then make 5 frequency 

changes between ground and tower freqs to get to the terminal on the 

south side. (ground to taxi to crossing taxiway, north tower to cross 

north runway, ground to taxi between runways, south tower to cross south 

runway, ground to cross parallel taxiway to ramp)



On 9/19/2011 7:57 AM, John Ackerman wrote:

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 I'll second all that stuff that Kelly wrote. DVT has a reputation for interminable taxi times. I haven't been to FFZ lately, but it used to be a great place to visit. I hear that it is busier now, too.



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bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: Trip to Phoenix

DVT isn't is bad as all that, they do get busy with the flight training, but FFZ has that also. Class B starts about 20 miles N of DVT and it comes down gradually like you will be doing. Gas is not cheap and is about .50 cents cheaper at Chandler, haven't bought any recently at FFZ. Enjoy your flight  

 



   

From: Rene <rene(at)felker.com>

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I might have to fly down to Phoenix this week.  Looks like Deer Valley or

Scottsdale are the closest.....Deer Valley looks better from a  cost

perspective.  Any opinions from the locals or other who have been down

there.  



I will be coming from Utah.



Rene'http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List</



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fehdxlbb(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: Trip to Phoenix

I've flown into DVT a couple times.  If you want the FBO service, I think there are two to choose from.  Or, if you want min expense, there is a self-serve pump on the north side and free 48 hour parking on the south side in front of the public 'terminal'.  


Might mention you are 'transient' to tower.  They wanted me to fly a pattern based local landmarks that weren't extremely obvious.  


Yes I waited longer to takeoff than normal...but it wasn't that bad.


Fly safe, 


Jim




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Subject: RV10-List: Trip to Phoenix




I might have to fly down to Phoenix this week.   Looks like Deer Valley or

Scottsdale are the closest.....Deer Valley looks better from a cost

perspective.  Any opinions from the locals or other who have been down

there.  


I will be coming from Utah.


Rene'

801-721-6080

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