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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:18 am    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

I flew my Traveler, yesterday in calm clear skies and noticed the plane had a gentle fishtailing motion when in level cruise, if I accelerated it would go away. Anyone have any insights?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:54 pm    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

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I flew my Traveler, yesterday in calm clear skies and noticed the plane had a gentle fishtailing motion when in level cruise, if I accelerated it would go away. Anyone have any insights?
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Hmmm. Fish do that to go faster ..... maybe your plane was telling you to put the pedal to the metal!!! Very Happy
Sorry, just couldn't resist.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:45 pm    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

That's a hard one to comment on. If I had flown it I'd have a better idea. Any other unusual characteristics?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:44 am    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

I don't know if it has anything to do with increased horsepower. I was thinking that may be I wasn't applying sufficient pressure on the rudder, but then I applied some pressure and the same thing occurred. Maybe the trimtab?



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I flew my Traveler, yesterday in calm clear skies and noticed the plane had a gentle fishtailing motion when in level cruise, if I accelerated it would go away. Anyone have any insights?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

Was the BALL centered?

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[quote] I don't know if it has anything to do with increased horsepower.  I was thinking that may be I wasn't applying sufficient pressure on the rudder, but then I applied some pressure and the same thing occurred.  Maybe the trimtab?



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That's a hard one to comment on.  If I had flown it I'd have a better idea.  Any other unusual characteristics?


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I flew my Traveler, yesterday in calm clear skies and noticed the plane had a gentle fishtailing motion when in level cruise, if I accelerated it would go away.  Anyone have any insights?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:16 am    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

Yup. The plane tends to favour right rudder.



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On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:02 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
[quote]Was the BALL centered?

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I flew my Traveler, yesterday in calm clear skies and noticed the plane had a gentle fishtailing motion when in level cruise, if I accelerated it would go away. Anyone have any insights?
Andrew



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:42 am    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

Are you saying without ANY pressure on the rudder peddles the ball is centered?

Or does it require Right Rudder to center the ball?
Barry


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[quote] Yup.  The plane tends to favour right rudder.

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Was the BALL centered?


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I don't know if it has anything to do with increased horsepower.  I was thinking that may be I wasn't applying sufficient pressure on the rudder, but then I applied some pressure and the same thing occurred.  Maybe the trimtab?

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I flew my Traveler, yesterday in calm clear skies and noticed the plane had a gentle fishtailing motion when in level cruise, if I accelerated it would go away.  Anyone have any insights?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

A bit of right rudder to centre the ball at level cruise about 2375rpm. Could it be the trimtab or is it rigging or something else. Maybe I'm too picky.



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[quote]Are you saying without ANY pressure on the rudder peddles the ball is centered?

Or does it require Right Rudder to center the ball?
Barry


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Was the BALL centered?


On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
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I don't know if it has anything to do with increased horsepower. I was thinking that may be I wasn't applying sufficient pressure on the rudder, but then I applied some pressure and the same thing occurred. Maybe the trimtab?

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That's a hard one to comment on. If I had flown it I'd have a better idea. Any other unusual characteristics?


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To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:14 PM
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I flew my Traveler, yesterday in calm clear skies and noticed the plane had a gentle fishtailing motion when in level cruise, if I accelerated it would go away. Anyone have any insights?
Andrew



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

NOPE!  There you go, you answered your own question...In S&L if it takes Right Peddle Pressure then you need to tweak the trim-tab.  
NOW!  Just to confuse the issues a bit more... Are you dropping a wing?  If not, then YUP!  Tweak the RUDDER trim-tab.
If you are dropping a wing, fix that first.
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[quote]A bit of right rudder to centre the ball at level cruise about 2375rpm.  Could it be the trimtab or is it rigging or something else.  Maybe I'm too picky.

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Are you saying without ANY pressure on the rudder peddles the ball is centered?

Or does it require Right Rudder to center the ball?
Barry


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Yup.  The plane tends to favour right rudder.

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On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:02 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:

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Was the BALL centered?


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I don't know if it has anything to do with increased horsepower.  I was thinking that may be I wasn't applying sufficient pressure on the rudder, but then I applied some pressure and the same thing occurred.  Maybe the trimtab?

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That's a hard one to comment on.  If I had flown it I'd have a better idea.  Any other unusual characteristics?


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I flew my Traveler, yesterday in calm clear skies and noticed the plane had a gentle fishtailing motion when in level cruise, if I accelerated it would go away.  Anyone have any insights?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:55 pm    Post subject: Behavioural Characterstics Reply with quote

I'll try the trim tab. Thanks for working it out with me.



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[quote]NOPE! There you go, you answered your own question...In S&L if it takes Right Peddle Pressure then you need to tweak the trim-tab.
NOW! Just to confuse the issues a bit more... Are you dropping a wing? If not, then YUP! Tweak the RUDDER trim-tab.
If you are dropping a wing, fix that first.
Barry

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A bit of right rudder to centre the ball at level cruise about 2375rpm. Could it be the trimtab or is it rigging or something else. Maybe I'm too picky.

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Are you saying without ANY pressure on the rudder peddles the ball is centered?

Or does it require Right Rudder to center the ball?
Barry


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Yup. The plane tends to favour right rudder.

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Was the BALL centered?


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I don't know if it has anything to do with increased horsepower. I was thinking that may be I wasn't applying sufficient pressure on the rudder, but then I applied some pressure and the same thing occurred. Maybe the trimtab?

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That's a hard one to comment on. If I had flown it I'd have a better idea. Any other unusual characteristics?


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