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graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

The LAA are asking me to put a new mod form in for installing Airworld twin head wing tip strobes, surely this has already been done several times?



Also someone must have installed a 'Think Automotive' oil thermostat already, or maybe I should just change it for the Skydrive one.

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richard collings

Joined: 08 Jul 2011
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

I think we might be neck and neck on build completion or 90% done with 90% 

to do! There is a std Europa Club mod for a strobe on the top of the 

tailplane No SM 10401 that should do it.I am being asked for an LAA mod for 

fuel line piping which I have completed in 5/16 aluminium tube with AN 

fittings and recited the fuel valve on the floor of the fuselage with an 

extension control shaft coming up through the centre section of the cockpit 

module just behind the brake parking valve, has anyone got an existing mod 

for this? Also I am going to have to buy a radio soon anyone have any 

thoughts no what to go for and how soon will 8.33 separation become 

mandatory?

I still have loads to do.

Trigear Rotax 912ul G-CGZV

Richard Collings

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richard.churchill-coleman
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

Hi Richard



I can't help on the Mod I'm afraid but on the 8.33Khz front - EUROCONTROL

own this proposal and their strategy and implementing rules are set out on a

microsite here:

http://www.eurocontrol.int/vhf833/public/standard_page/below_fl195_v1.html



Basically, it says use of 8.33 below FL195 is likely to be mandatory for new

installations 1 year after they pass the implementing rules.  Current

timetable looks like they might be proposed and passed summer 2012, so

mandatory installation from summer 2013 ish.....with a mandatory retrofit

deadline for units already in service by about 6 or 7 years after that. 



Richard C-C

Mono 912S G-RPCC



I think we might be neck and neck on build completion or 90% done with 90%

to do! There is a std Europa Club mod for a strobe on the top of the

tailplane No SM 10401 that should do it.I am being asked for an LAA mod for

fuel line piping which I have completed in 5/16 aluminium tube with AN

fittings and recited the fuel valve on the floor of the fuselage with an

extension control shaft coming up through the centre section of the cockpit

module just behind the brake parking valve, has anyone got an existing mod

for this? Also I am going to have to buy a radio soon anyone have any

thoughts no what to go for and how soon will 8.33 separation become

mandatory?

I still have loads to do.

Trigear Rotax 912ul G-CGZV

Richard Collings

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graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

Richard, I tried that - quoting the stobe, mod but it was rejected, too different



Re the radio I have a Filsner 833 in my C42 and now Europa and have been very pleased with in the C42, I like the dual listen and intercom.

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europa(at)pstewart.f2s.co
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

Richard



I'm not sure which bit of the fuel mod you are referring to specifically.

There are several europas around with aluminium fuel lines and AN fittings

including G-GIDY. Our fuel mod reference is:



EUROPA XS  PFA 247-13467  Mod 11064 (fuel system)



It has an andair fuel valve but not one with an extension shaft. It is also

a 914 engine so piped for 2 electric fuel pumps.



Regards



Paul



On 28/9/11 23:07, "Richard Collings" <rcollings(at)talktalk.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 I think we might be neck and neck on build completion or 90% done with 90%

 to do! There is a std Europa Club mod for a strobe on the top of the

 tailplane No SM 10401 that should do it.I am being asked for an LAA mod for

 fuel line piping which I have completed in 5/16 aluminium tube with AN

 fittings and recited the fuel valve on the floor of the fuselage with an

 extension control shaft coming up through the centre section of the cockpit

 module just behind the brake parking valve, has anyone got an existing mod

 for this? Also I am going to have to buy a radio soon anyone have any

 thoughts no what to go for and how soon will 8.33 separation become

 mandatory?

 I still have loads to do.

 Trigear Rotax 912ul G-CGZV

 Richard Collings

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europa(at)pstewart.f2s.co
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

Graham



We fitted whelan wing tip nav/stobes driven by an Airworld strobe unit into

XS wings on G-GIDY. Unfortunately I don't have the paperwork for the mods

but it is PFA approved. Another of our group - Hugh Carmichael has the PFA

paperwork and I'm sure would be able to quote you the relevant approval

number.



Essentaially the mod involved running nav and stobe wires through the wing

ribs with BID reinforcement of the ribs. A splash molding of the whelan unit

base glassed to the wingtip such that the unit lay flush with the wingtip

skin. BID reinforcement of the wing tip. Wiring brought out through the root

rib to 5 pin connectors.

The Airworld unit is mounted on the rear of the baggage bay bulkhead and

powered through a suitable fuse ands 3 position switch(off/stobes/nav &

stobe).

Regards

Paul

On 29/9/11 19:24, "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Richard, I tried that - quoting the stobe, mod but it was rejected, too

 different

 

 Re the radio I have a Filsner 833 in my C42 and now Europa and have been very

 pleased with in the C42, I like the dual listen and intercom.

 

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 Graeme Bird

 G-UMPY

 Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP

 Build nearing completion

 

 

 

 

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g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:08 am Post subject: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

Greame, Richard



I do not know who was advising from the LAA regarding wingtip strobes but I

think the point has been missed.



Essentially the LAA is not interested in your strobes.  What is of concern

are structural changes getting the wiring to the wing tip.  So, as I see it,

you need the mod for that.  I rewrote this (SM10713) for the LAA back in

April but I have not heard anything since.  I have checked the LAA site and

it is not in the Europa list (so I assume it is sitting on Andy's desk).  I

will chase it up.

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com 



 



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stephen vestuti

Joined: 05 Jul 2011
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Location: Wales, UK

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

Well that's good timing Ian!



I have just completed a series of drawings of various Mods to submit 

to the LAA and one of them was the wing conduit Mod!



Thank you for bringing that up.

I will need to check with you about the other Mods. 



Steve.

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Kelvin Weston

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really

Ian



I recently emailed Andy Draper at the LAA about strobe mods and was also told that I would need a mod to cover the Airworld wingtip strobes.

I have fitted the conduit mod but my understanding was that a mod would be needed to cover the reinforcement of the wing tip and installation of the driver box.

I reinforced the tip on the inside with a small oval of thin aluminium covered with 2 ply bid.  This allowed the fitting of Rivnuts to secure the strobe head.  These can be easily replaced from the outside should a thread go in the future.  The cable hole also allowed me to insert a pip pin mounted on a stand to allow the wing to be rotated during build / painting.

Also, SM 10713 does not take into account the possibility that Mod 69 - wing tie downs might be fitted.  I took the outboard conduit through the middle of the rib similar to the inboard conduit.

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