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flyingphil2

Joined: 04 Dec 2009
Posts: 117

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Hi,

Does anyone know of any other 'Berube conventional taildraggers' that are flying other than the following:



N914BL

N108EA

N531RP

N141EW



Thanks,

Phil

g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:17 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Phil



 	  Quote: 	
		  From a note I received in 2008


	


17/11/08

Bob has sold 15 conventional gear mods in US and some more worldwide.  Bill

McClellan 164XS



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 	  Quote: 	
		  From the Club records the following are "conventional" and most likely Bob's

(ie Grove legs)
	




Kit 		Reg



A139		N918DJ

A166		N166BB

A207		N712EA

A192		C-GUNN



Kits with registration unknown



A139

A142

A179

A187

A218

A272



So with your list of four



Kit		Reg

A124		N914BL

A226		N108EA

A170		N531RP

A141		N141EW

we have records relating to 14



also note our records do not have the U/C type recorded for about 60

aircraft out of the 890 total

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 350hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

flyingphil2

Joined: 04 Dec 2009
Posts: 117

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:07 am Post subject: Re: Berube Taildragger

Hi Ian,



Thanks for that information.



I found 2 more in Australia:



http://theaussieaviator.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3365



http://theaussieaviator.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9511



You can probably guess where I'm going with this.  Approval by the LAA may be easier if it can be demonstrated that there are aircraft flying around the world in this configuration with no issues.



Phil

flyingphil2

Joined: 04 Dec 2009
Posts: 117

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Berube Taildragger

Also, there was Bob Berube's motorglider with this undercarriage.  I'm not sure where that went to.



http://www.users.waitrose.com/~jcliff/Taildraggers/BB.htm

paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:37 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Hi Phil,



Do you happen to know how many of the Swiss Taildragger conversions were completed ?



Paul



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 Hi,

 Does anyone know of any other 'Berube conventional taildraggers' that are flying other than the following:

 

 N914BL

 N108EA

 N531RP

 N141EW

 

 Thanks,

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flyingphil2

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Berube Taildragger

I think there's about 15 'Swiss' taildraggers in total (most still flying).



Phil

g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:51 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Phil



I already had the motor glider pictures.  I am mot sure where that one went.

It was one of the two that got lost around the insolvency in 2004

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

zwakie

Joined: 03 Aug 2009
Posts: 157

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Berube Taildragger

Also a flying 'swiss' in Holland, the PH-BGV: http://www.ehhvphotobook.com/PH-BGV/slides/DSC_0059B.html.

_________________
Marcel Zwakenberg
Europa XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR

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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Phil



Below is the Swiss Mod information I have:-

Kit		Reg

3		G-BVOS   912

11		G-IGII   NSI,  (David Hunter conversion)

20		G-IVET   912

24		HB-YIA

53		G-BWEG   912

57		G-FLYT   NSI 

88		G-BVVP   912,  (David Hunter conversion)

104		G-BWUP   NSI,  (David Hunter conversion)

112		G-BWON   912,  (David Hunter conversion)  Now PH-MZW

117		G-CHAV   912   (David Hunter conversion)  Now reg as G-LIKE

125		G-RICS   NSI   (David Hunter conversion)

146		F-WBAS

175		G-BXII,  912

259		G-CCRJ   No engine yet,  in build

264		PH-BGV

268		G-BWON   912,  (David Hunter conversion)  now HB-YIB

371		G-LDVO,  912

586		LN-HTK



The only other "conventionals" I know of are:-



147		G-NIGL  (own design, not yet completed)

251		the Flyer airframe built with reversed Trigear leg

 (now being completed by Mike Davies, 2011)

zwakie

Joined: 03 Aug 2009
Posts: 157

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:03 am Post subject: Re: Berube Taildragger

Ian,



I have a correction to your list: PH-MZW is my Europa, I bought her as G-BWON in 2008 as a Tri-gear. Years before I bought her, the G-BWON indeed had a swiss u/c, but no longer.



Marcel

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Marcel Zwakenberg
Europa XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR

paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Hi All,



I saw a picture of the Swiss Taildragger and I must admit that it piqued my curiosity.  I know that the Berube Taildragger conversion places the wheels in the same place and height as the mono.



Is this the case with the Swiss Taildragger ?

 

Paul

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 4:58 AM, G-IANI <g-iani(at)ntlworld.com (g-iani(at)ntlworld.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani(at)ntlworld.com (g-iani(at)ntlworld.com)>

 

 Phil

 

 

Below is the Swiss Mod information I have:-

 

 

 Kit             Reg

 3               G-BVOS   912

 11              G-IGII   NSI,  (David Hunter conversion)

 20              G-IVET   912

 24              HB-YIA

 53              G-BWEG   912

 57              G-FLYT   NSI

 88              G-BVVP   912,  (David Hunter conversion)

 104             G-BWUP   NSI,  (David Hunter conversion)

 112             G-BWON   912,  (David Hunter conversion)  Now PH-MZW

 117             G-CHAV   912   (David Hunter conversion)  Now reg as G-LIKE

 125             G-RICS   NSI   (David Hunter conversion)

 146             F-WBAS

 175             G-BXII,  912

 259             G-CCRJ   No engine yet,  in build

 264             PH-BGV

 268             G-BWON   912,  (David Hunter conversion)  now HB-YIB

 371             G-LDVO,  912

 586             LN-HTK

 

 The only other "conventionals" I know of are:-

 

 147             G-NIGL  (own design, not yet completed)

 251             the Flyer airframe built with reversed Trigear leg

  (now being completed by Mike Davies, 2011)

 

	


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g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Marcel



Thank you for that information.  I have a picture of G-BWON as a

"conventional" dated 2003.  So I assume she was crashed and rebuilt as a

Trigear about 2004 -5



Ian

g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:19 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Paul

 

Simple answer.  Yes,  This works well and is the easiest way to keep the keep the “Authorities” happy.

 

 

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com 

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flyingphil2

Joined: 04 Dec 2009
Posts: 117

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Berube Taildragger

I'm curious as to why G-BWON was converted from the Swiss taildragger to a tri-gear.  I just checked the AAIB site and the only prang it had was an undercarriage retract when landing (as a mono).  It must be the only Europa to have ever had 2 undecarriage changes?

stranfaer(at)btinternet.c
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

It didn't !



AFAIK



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On 15 Oct 2011, at 19:40, "flyingphil2" <ptiller(at)lolacars.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I'm curious as to why G-BWON was converted from the Swiss taildragger to a tri-gear.  I just checked the AAIB site and the only prang it had was an undercarriage retract when landing (as a mono).  It must be the only Europa to have ever had 2 undecarriage changes?

 

 

 

 

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stranfaer(at)btinternet.c
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: Berube Taildragger

Marcel was it 2008?

Time flys like a Tri Gear with the wind up it's tail!



Rgds

Djj



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On 15 Oct 2011, at 14:03, "zwakie" <mz(at)cariama.nl> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Ian,

 

 I have a correction to your list: PH-MZW is my Europa, I bought her as G-BWON in 2008 as a Tri-gear. Years before I bought her, the G-BWON indeed had a swiss u/c, but no longer.

 

 Marcel

 

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 Marcel

 (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)

 

 

 

 

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: Berube Taildragger

More or less. Ground loop at Tatenhill by the last but one UK owner. He converted it to tri gear and I signed it off

Graham

From: G-IANI <g-iani(at)ntlworld.com>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Saturday, 15 October, 2011 18:01:17

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--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani(at)ntlworld.com (g-iani(at)ntlworld.com)>

Marcel

Thank you for that information.  I have a picture of G-BWON as a

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zwakie

Joined: 03 Aug 2009
Posts: 157

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Berube Taildragger

 	  stranfaer(at)btinternet.c wrote: 	
		  It didn't !



AFAIK

	


Well, actually it did and the logbook confirms. Change from mono to swiss in first months of 2000, then to Tri-gear in May 2005.

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Europa XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR

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