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 Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:58 am Post subject: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s |
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All who like to know what was it
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One week ago on Sunday I looked, found and solved the source for vibration as follows:
First I checked the overall appearance of the plane – good
Then I took the prop for a closer check and drove the blades to their finest positions – all very exactly 17 degrees (measured from the tip end).
Then I drove them to the coarsest position – all were again same and 29,5 degrees,
Opened the cowlings – just normal inside.
Took off all the sparking plugs – one until another were just great – colour like mild milk coffee...
- until I took of the last (!) one: that was #3 (stbd side, rearmost) and lower one: it was sky blue (a colour like RAL 5015 or Pantone 2925C).
It /they have been on service 57 hrs only.
Attached a pic of it (it was not so easy to photo it to get a correct colour!).
I replaced all the plugs for new. That was it. As I wrote earlier – My Europa was after service just great.
***
My mistake: I did not try during the flight one week ago the magnetos A and B alone. I could not imagine that would be a solution for a smoother ride. You remember – one power selection and one rpm-selection only together was acceptable to continue the flight with a reasonable vibra only.
***
How could loosing only one plug to make such a hard situation? My only guess is that it was detonation; below and over certain rpm´s and map´s the engine was very unhappy. Why so – I am sure someone of you can explain it. Certainly the plug has been very hot.
***
I consulted a Finnish Rotax agent: during a last decade he remembered only another case loosing a spark plug from Rotax. That case the spark was only dead and no noticeable problems during the flight. His ten years are equal of well over 200.000 hrs of Rotax flight time (200 planes x 100 hrs /year x 10 year).
***
Dear competitors: I got several answers. Some of them are a bit funny but all are valuable. Thanks for great inputs. All of you, also those privat answers.
Only one of you guessed the right answer. That was Bob Yearly by writing as follows, that was a great list for all of
us, thank you.
Many things to check.
Carbs:
Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power setting.
Check carb balance.
Engine Electrics:
First check ignition A and B separate.
Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)
Pull plugs and look for differences.
Fuel :
Check carb float bowls for dirt.
Check fuel pressure regulator for 914
Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure.
Exhaust:
Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or failures.
Regards,
Bud
***
Problems: The Rules: one single guess per person, please.
So, Bud is not a winner but that is not a problem for him I am sure.
What is the jury´s decision? All of you (who gave a guess or more) will get a little surprising shipment from Finland: just let me know your exact address info details direct to
info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)
Also the daughters.
Thanks,
Terveisin,
[img]cid:EB70BECB27684A0F9F644CE945B66D49(at)Asus[/img]
Raimo Toivio
RWM-SYSTEMS
"älykästä informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"
[img]cid:944BC044B9FE4FE4905794955EF50B8D(at)Asus[/img]
37500 Lempäälä
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
www.rwm.fi
info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)
From: Bud Yerly (budyerly(at)msn.com)
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:15 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Many things to check.
Carbs:
Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power setting.
Check carb balance.
Engine Electrics:
First check ignition A and B separate.
Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)
Pull plugs and look for differences.
Fuel :
Check carb float bowls for dirt.
Check fuel pressure regulator for 914
Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure.
Exhaust:
Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or failures.
Regards,
Bud
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Speedbird
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:21 pm Post subject: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s |
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Dear Raimo,
As I remember I wrote sparkplugs, maybe to generic?
Maybe then only half right?
Most important is
What do we learn and how to avoid....(from your experience that is)
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Blue Skies
Your friendly neighbor to the west, (Varberg Sweden)
Ivan
Ps;
Will forward your discoveries to my friend Jan a local Europa owner.
Ds.
P: +46 703 621310
M: [url=mailto:midwing(at)telia.com]midwing(at)telia.com (midwing(at)telia.com)[/url]
9 okt 2011 kl. 21:55 skrev "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)>:
[quote] All who like to know what was it
***
One week ago on Sunday I looked, found and solved the source for vibration as follows:
First I checked the overall appearance of the plane – good
Then I took the prop for a closer check and drove the blades to their finest positions – all very exactly 17 degrees (measured from the tip end).
Then I drove them to the coarsest position – all were again same and 29,5 degrees,
Opened the cowlings – just normal inside.
Took off all the sparking plugs – one until another were just great – colour like mild milk coffee...
- until I took of the last (!) one: that was #3 (stbd side, rearmost) and lower one: it was sky blue (a colour like RAL 5015 or Pantone 2925C).
It /they have been on service 57 hrs only.
Attached a pic of it (it was not so easy to photo it to get a correct colour!).
I replaced all the plugs for new. That was it. As I wrote earlier – My Europa was after service just great.
***
My mistake: I did not try during the flight one week ago the magnetos A and B alone. I could not imagine that would be a solution for a smoother ride. You remember – one power selection and one rpm-selection only together was acceptable to continue the flight with a reasonable vibra only.
***
How could loosing only one plug to make such a hard situation? My only guess is that it was detonation; below and over certain rpm´s and map´s the engine was very unhappy. Why so – I am sure someone of you can explain it. Certainly the plug has been very hot.
***
I consulted a Finnish Rotax agent: during a last decade he remembered only another case loosing a spark plug from Rotax. That case the spark was only dead and no noticeable problems during the flight. His ten years are equal of well over 200.000 hrs of Rotax flight time (200 planes x 100 hrs /year x 10 year).
***
Dear competitors: I got several answers. Some of them are a bit funny but all are valuable. Thanks for great inputs. All of you, also those privat answers.
Only one of you guessed the right answer. That was Bob Yearly by writing as follows, that was a great list for all of
us, thank you.
Many things to check.
Carbs:
Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power setting.
Check carb balance.
Engine Electrics:
First check ignition A and B separate.
Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)
Pull plugs and look for differences.
Fuel :
Check carb float bowls for dirt.
Check fuel pressure regulator for 914
Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure.
Exhaust:
Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or failures.
Regards,
Bud
***
Problems: The Rules: one single guess per person, please.
So, Bud is not a winner but that is not a problem for him I am sure.
What is the jury´s decision? All of you (who gave a guess or more) will get a little surprising shipment from Finland: just let me know your exact address info details direct to
[url=mailto:info(at)rwm.fi]info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)[/url]
Also the daughters.
Thanks,
Terveisin,
<allekirjoitus%20raimo[1].gif>
Raimo Toivio
RWM-SYSTEMS
"älykästä informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"
<aaa[1].gif>
37500 Lempäälä
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
www.rwm.fi
info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)
From: Bud Yerly (budyerly(at)msn.com)
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:15 PM
To: [url=mailto:europa-list(at)matronics.com]europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Many things to check.
Carbs:
Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power setting.
Check carb balance.
Engine Electrics:
First check ignition A and B separate.
Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)
Pull plugs and look for differences.
Fuel :
Check carb float bowls for dirt.
Check fuel pressure regulator for 914
Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure.
Exhaust:
Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or failures.
Regards,
Bud
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Ivor Phillips
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 253
Location: London UK
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:37 am Post subject: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s |
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Hi Raimo
Perhaps my eyes are not as good as they were, [?] But i cannot see any
Silicone paste
residue on the threads of your spark plug, Rotax recommend it to reduce
Spark plug temps,
I have used Dow corning DC340 to good affect on my engine,
best wishes
Ivor
On 9 October 2011 20:55, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi> wrote:
[quote] All who like to know what was it
***
One week ago on Sunday I looked, found and solved the source for vibration
as follows:
First I checked the overall appearance of the plane – good
Then I took the prop for a closer check and drove the blades to their
finest positions – all very exactly 17 degrees (measured from the tip end).
Then I drove them to the coarsest position – all were again same and 29,5
degrees,
Opened the cowlings – just normal inside.
Took off all the sparking plugs – one until another were just great –
colour like mild milk coffee...
- until I took of the last (!) one: that was #3 (stbd side, rearmost) and
lower one: it was sky blue (a colour like RAL 5015 or Pantone 2925C).
It /they have been on service 57 hrs only.
Attached a pic of it (it was not so easy to photo it to get a correct
colour!).
I replaced all the plugs for new. That was it. As I wrote earlier – My
Europa was after service just great.
***
My mistake: I did not try during the flight one week ago the magnetos A and
B alone. I could not imagine that would be a solution for a smoother ride
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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s |
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Hi Ivan
Sorry, I did not get your answer!
Tell wisher to Jan, will see during next Europa Scandinavian Meet?
do not archive
From: Ivan Midwing (midwing(at)telia.com)
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:17 AM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s)
Dear Raimo,
As I remember I wrote sparkplugs, maybe to generic?
Maybe then only half right?
Most important is
What do we learn and how to avoid....(from your experience that is)
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Blue Skies
Your friendly neighbor to the west, (Varberg Sweden)
Ivan
Ps;
Will forward your discoveries to my friend Jan a local Europa owner.
Ds.
P: +46 703 621310
M: [url=mailto:midwing(at)telia.com]midwing(at)telia.com (midwing(at)telia.com)[/url]
9 okt 2011 kl. 21:55 skrev "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)>:
[quote] All who like to know what was it
***
One week ago on Sunday I looked, found and solved the source for vibration as follows:
First I checked the overall appearance of the plane – good
Then I took the prop for a closer check and drove the blades to their finest positions – all very exactly 17 degrees (measured from the tip end).
Then I drove them to the coarsest position – all were again same and 29,5 degrees,
Opened the cowlings – just normal inside.
Took off all the sparking plugs – one until another were just great – colour like mild milk coffee...
- until I took of the last (!) one: that was #3 (stbd side, rearmost) and lower one: it was sky blue (a colour like RAL 5015 or Pantone 2925C).
It /they have been on service 57 hrs only.
Attached a pic of it (it was not so easy to photo it to get a correct colour!).
I replaced all the plugs for new. That was it. As I wrote earlier – My Europa was after service just great.
***
My mistake: I did not try during the flight one week ago the magnetos A and B alone. I could not imagine that would be a solution for a smoother ride. You remember – one power selection and one rpm-selection only together was acceptable to continue the flight with a reasonable vibra only.
***
How could loosing only one plug to make such a hard situation? My only guess is that it was detonation; below and over certain rpm´s and map´s the engine was very unhappy. Why so – I am sure someone of you can explain it. Certainly the plug has been very hot.
***
I consulted a Finnish Rotax agent: during a last decade he remembered only another case loosing a spark plug from Rotax. That case the spark was only dead and no noticeable problems during the flight. His ten years are equal of well over 200.000 hrs of Rotax flight time (200 planes x 100 hrs /year x 10 year).
***
Dear competitors: I got several answers. Some of them are a bit funny but all are valuable. Thanks for great inputs. All of you, also those privat answers.
Only one of you guessed the right answer. That was Bob Yearly by writing as follows, that was a great list for all of
us, thank you.
Many things to check.
Carbs:
Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power setting.
Check carb balance.
Engine Electrics:
First check ignition A and B separate.
Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)
Pull plugs and look for differences.
Fuel :
Check carb float bowls for dirt.
Check fuel pressure regulator for 914
Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure.
Exhaust:
Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or failures.
Regards,
Bud
***
Problems: The Rules: one single guess per person, please.
So, Bud is not a winner but that is not a problem for him I am sure.
What is the jury´s decision? All of you (who gave a guess or more) will get a little surprising shipment from Finland: just let me know your exact address info details direct to
[url=mailto:info(at)rwm.fi]info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)[/url]
Also the daughters.
Thanks,
Terveisin,
<allekirjoitus%20raimo[1].gif>
Raimo Toivio
RWM-SYSTEMS
"älykästä informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"
<aaa[1].gif>
37500 Lempäälä
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
www.rwm.fi
info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)
From: Bud Yerly (budyerly(at)msn.com)
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:15 PM
To: [url=mailto:europa-list(at)matronics.com]europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Many things to check.
Carbs:
Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power setting.
Check carb balance.
Engine Electrics:
First check ignition A and B separate.
Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)
Pull plugs and look for differences.
Fuel :
Check carb float bowls for dirt.
Check fuel pressure regulator for 914
Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure.
Exhaust:
Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or failures.
Regards,
Bud
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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:34 am Post subject: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s |
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Hi Ivor
I am sure they (your eyes) are. You saw right. There was not any paste left in the picture, but there was when replacing them!
It was wiped off because I put those old plugs to their tight collecting box, which I made by white foam you know. Paste which is left is there...
Cheers, Raimo
From: PHILLIPS I (ivor.phillips(at)ntlworld.com)
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:34 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s)
Hi Raimo
Perhaps my eyes are not as good as they were, [img]cid:457D69AA758146D5AFD9BB7C060C6899(at)Asus[/img] But i cannot see any Silicone paste
residue on the threads of your spark plug, Rotax recommend it to reduce Spark plug temps,
I have used Dow corning DC340 to good affect on my engine,
best wishes
Ivor
On 9 October 2011 20:55, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)> wrote:
| Quote: | All who like to know what was it
***
One week ago on Sunday I looked, found and solved the source for vibration as follows:
First I checked the overall appearance of the plane – good
Then I took the prop for a closer check and drove the blades to their finest positions – all very exactly 17 degrees (measured from the tip end).
Then I drove them to the coarsest position – all were again same and 29,5 degrees,
Opened the cowlings – just normal inside.
Took off all the sparking plugs – one until another were just great – colour like mild milk coffee...
- until I took of the last (!) one: that was #3 (stbd side, rearmost) and lower one: it was sky blue (a colour like RAL 5015 or Pantone 2925C).
It /they have been on service 57 hrs only.
Attached a pic of it (it was not so easy to photo it to get a correct colour!).
I replaced all the plugs for new. That was it. As I wrote earlier – My Europa was after service just great.
***
My mistake: I did not try during the flight one week ago the magnetos A and B alone. I could not imagine that would be a solution for a smoother ride. You remember – one power selection and one rpm-selection only together was acceptable to continue the flight with a reasonable vibra only.
***
How could loosing only one plug to make such a hard situation? My only guess is that it was detonation; below and over certain rpm´s and map´s the engine was very unhappy. Why so – I am sure someone of you can explain it. Certainly the plug has been very hot.
***
I consulted a Finnish Rotax agent: during a last decade he remembered only another case loosing a spark plug from Rotax. That case the spark was only dead and no noticeable problems during the flight. His ten years are equal of well over 200.000 hrs of Rotax flight time (200 planes x 100 hrs /year x 10 year).
***
Dear competitors: I got several answers. Some of them are a bit funny but all are valuable. Thanks for great inputs. All of you, also those privat answers.
Only one of you guessed the right answer. That was Bob Yearly by writing as follows, that was a great list for all of
us, thank you.
Many things to check.
Carbs:
Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power setting.
Check carb balance.
Engine Electrics:
First check ignition A and B separate.
Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)
Pull plugs and look for differences.
Fuel :
Check carb float bowls for dirt.
Check fuel pressure regulator for 914
Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure.
Exhaust:
Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or failures.
Regards,
Bud
***
Problems: The Rules: one single guess per person, please.
So, Bud is not a winner but that is not a problem for him I am sure.
What is the jury´s decision? All of you (who gave a guess or more) will get a little surprising shipment from Finland: just let me know your exact address info details direct to
info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)
Also the daughters.
Thanks,
Terveisin,
[img]cid:4C85E0431A664469A889A03C11BA60A3(at)Asus[/img]
Raimo Toivio
RWM-SYSTEMS
"älykästä informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"
[img]cid:54CBBB2FA9684E4A8A9AD06B6B805998(at)Asus[/img]
37500 Lempäälä
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
www.rwm.fi
info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)
From: Bud Yerly (budyerly(at)msn.com)
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:15 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Many things to check.
Carbs:
Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power setting.
Check carb balance.
Engine Electrics:
First check ignition A and B separate.
Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)
Pull plugs and look for differences.
Fuel :
Check carb float bowls for dirt.
Check fuel pressure regulator for 914
Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure.
Exhaust:
Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or failures.
Regards,
Bud
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From: Raimo Toivio (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
All
I have hope-so a nice riddle for you.
Maybe all the answers are useful – let´s collect them all:
***
Yesterday I took off from a very remote /small /windy (90 degrees 12 knots and gusting MUCH) grass strip. Soon until well over the ground at altitude +500 feet with full power and 2nd fuel pump still on and gears up I felt suddenly let us say medium or more shake and vibration. My immediate reaction was to go around and land immediately but abandoned because wind was so furious and I felt I cannot do that (a succesful landing).
I decided to try to fly to the next possible sensible airfield EFHV which was 10 minutes apart.
Those minutes were long: I put my prob (Airmaster CS) to manual and drived it from fine to coarse, tried all the power settings and also a 2nd fuel filter. Finally I noticed that when prop was in a climb mode (in my case 5400 rpm /Rotax 912S) and MAP around 20 inches I got quite a comfortable flying mode and I headed straight home. My airspeed was w that selection about 110 knots but because of a strong headwind GS was only about 70 knots (wanted to be clearly over the ground at 3000 ft because it was well over sunset and totally dark, yesterday we got sunset around 1600 Zulutime and time was well over 1630 when flying).
So, I pushed home one looooong hour. All the aerodynamics were well. I was a bit worried my engine will separate or so. When trying to push more pwr it was more vibra and when trying to pull less pwr same. I Followed a main highway and decided to land there if feeling so. Cars there with lights are almost like a lighted runway...
Finally landing to the EFTP flawlesly.
***
Today we had a FHGP (Family Hangar Grill Party). I tried to check my plane as well as I can. I found something. Very small evidence but something anyway. I tried to fix it and had a test run. I elected to go to fly – hey I am a test pilot who else – and She was better than ever!
I managed to do 2 touches and goes when C172 did one with same runway.
140 knots during downwind makes me always happy.
***
So – dear Ladies and Gentlemen – what was wrong?
It would be nice and very life-useful to hear your opinions or guesses what was wrong.
***
The Rules: one single guess per person, please.
The Prize: The Best Guess will get a Very Special Xmas Present from Finland!
***
I will let you know a solution after a week – be patient.
Have a nice weekend and
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
[img]cid:2A922A2BAE1E4FD08261020221DA9628(at)Asus[/img]
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 258,3
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio(at)fly.to (toivio(at)fly.to)
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Speedbird
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:52 am Post subject: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s |
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Raimo,
No Worries!
Will forward your message.
I am somewhat lurking on the forum trying to learn more about the little Europa.
Hoping to be able and buy the "new" kit with hightop and all latest improvements.
But I am still struggling with financing a bit due to job loss.
Hoping to find something new to liv on after a flying career witch stopped due to kidney stones about 7 years ago.
Running a small seasonal business with seakayaks today but need something more substantial or wife will kill me if I try to order a kit before a "real job" as she call it with better incomes.
But as soon as I find a new god product or partner then I will start building my own little fun plane!
Nice to learn that there are builders quite nearby with god knowledge and experience from the kit.
As I am trying to figure out all things I would like to implement in the kit
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