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DCS317(at)aol.com
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 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:46 am Post subject: Garmin 400 series simulator |
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Before shooting approaches in my RV-8 with my Garmin 430W , I like to practice them on the computer with the Garmin 400 series simulator (lots cheaper than $6.00 avgas). Problem is that Garmin has not updated the simulator program since 2008, and many of the GPS approaches have changed or did not exist in 2008. A call to Garmin tech support was not helpful, although pleasant. They support the Garmin 400 series for repair, but have no interest in updating the simulator, especially since they will stop manufacturing the 400/500 series this month or soon thereafter. Garmin is not willing to give simulator users any clues as to how to update the simulator approaches, even if you (as I do) pay the big bucks for the monthly airdata and obstacle updates (plus Chelton updates). (Yeah, the Cheltons are "primary", so much easier to use and much more intuitive, but that is a whole nother story, the 430W making things legal.)
Any computer gurus out there who can give a method of updating the simulator files with the Jeppesen airdata and Garmin obstacle data? It would seem that with ever a 100,000 units installed, someone else would also have an interest in this simulator upgrade and the advantages of the safety aspects (and cost savings) in using the updated simulator to practice approaches. And why not Garmin?
I've checked the blogs--can't find anything to hack the program or install the recent airdata. Help!
Don
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: Garmin 400 series simulator |
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Good Afternoon Don,
I have always done as do you. Find it very helpful when actually shooting the approach.
My take is that Garmin is not at all a NICE company. The folks they have manning the telephone lines are great. Customer service is very good, but management stinks.
I have tried to talk to them whenever the opportunity has arisen, but all I get is "don't bother me kid", we know what we are doing and we do not want to hear from users.
I will say that the company that I thought was the very best at listening to customers was Trimble and they are no longer in the business! <NG> Maybe Garmin is right, but I do not think so.
Avidyne is now making a major effort to get into that market. I have found the Avidyne folks to be very easy to talk to. One of my friends, a retired airline type, had a couple of issues with the programing of Avidyne's new IFD 540. He talked to them at the ABS convention in Las Vegas last month and within a week was advised that they will do as he asked. I had planned on including a new 530W in my next panel. May have even considered a Garmin 750. but after talking to the Avidyne folks at Oshkosh, I placed an order for the new Avidyne IFD 540. It was not the box itself that sold me. it was the attitude of the folks presenting the product.
While I have not yet bought any Aspen products, I am sure I will as their representatives seem much more like the Avidyne folks than like the Garmin group.
The name of the game is competition. Garmin has 'owned' the market far too long.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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Bob Siegfried
Downers Grove, IL
In a message dated 11/18/2011 11:47:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, DCS317(at)aol.com writes:
| Quote: | Before shooting approaches in my RV-8 with my Garmin 430W , I like to practice them on the computer with the Garmin 400 series simulator (lots cheaper than $6.00 avgas). Problem is that Garmin has not updated the simulator program since 2008, and many of the GPS approaches have changed or did not exist in 2008. A call to Garmin tech support was not helpful, although pleasant. They support the Garmin 400 series for repair, but have no interest in updating the simulator, especially since they will stop manufacturing the 400/500 series this month or soon thereafter. Garmin is not willing to give simulator users any clues as to how to update the simulator approaches, even if you (as I do) pay the big bucks for the monthly airdata and obstacle updates (plus Chelton updates). (Yeah, the Cheltons are "primary", so much easier to use and much more intuitive, but that is a whole nother story, the 430W making things legal.)
Any computer gurus out there who can give a method of updating the simulator files with the Jeppesen airdata and Garmin obstacle data? It would seem that with ever a 100,000 units installed, someone else would also have an interest in this simulator upgrade and the advantages of the safety aspects (and cost savings) in using the updated simulator to practice approaches. And why not Garmin?
I've checked the blogs--can't find anything to hack the program or install the recent airdata. Help!
Don
RV-8 Aviator
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: Garmin 400 series simulator |
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Good Afternoon Brantel,
Fantastic! Is it something we mortals can handle or will it only be doable by you special folks?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Garmin 400 series simulator |
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It is easy cuz I already converted the databases. The directions are in the thread linked to above. You can view that thread without joining the VAF forums.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: Garmin 400 series simulator |
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Good Evening Brantel,
Fantastic!.. Not sure how it happened as I still know nothing about moving data from one page to another, but I blindly followed your instructions and my Garmin 400W/500W simulator now has the database that expired June 30, 2011.
That was so easy that it re-enforces my opinion that Garmin just does not care about we who have their older boxes. If I was able to move that data, it is obvious that any of their techies could have done it on their website with just a second or two of effort. Thank you for guiding me through the process, but it makes me even more angry with Garmin's attitude.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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sean(at)stephensville.com
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: Garmin 400 series simulator |
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Thanks for this link. I use RealityXP's 430W add-on for X-Plane as I am
in the process of getting my IFR ticket and it really helps to fly the
approaches in X-Plane with a nice simulated 430W that matches what's in
the actual plane.
Building and doing IFR training at the same time can be tough, but at
least it keeps me current while building.
Getting the database updated finally is nice.
Thanks again!
-Sean RV-10 #40303 (panel wiring)
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